floating and non floating neck turning tool/lathe

[milboltnut]

Hey guys

what's your experience with, I guess the only floating neck turning lathe by 21st century. I'd rather have a neck turner on a lathe set up or what ever you want to call it, Hornady, Forster, for the affordable ones to start. Is the 21st that much better than say the Hornady ?

I'm intrigued by the 21st's with the neck turner floating and the case holder too. Will any of the fixed ones work just as well as the floating ones? I use a Forster hand held in my vice with their black plastic handle and one I made with a Lee case holder. The best I can get is .0005 to .001. I see 21st cutter graduations are .0005. I was thinking just getting the neck turning tool by itself and pilots. 21st wants 140 bucks for the cutter tool/cutter and two pilots. Hornady wants $150 with 4 pilots. 21st has the cutter that takes a bit of the shoulder off unlike others.... Hornady doesn't. Hornadys adjustment is .0005 like the 21st's.

 

[338 dude]

Hey guys

what's your experience with, I guess the only floating neck turning lathe by 21st century. I'd rather have a neck turner on a lathe set up or what ever you want to call it, Hornady, Forster, for the affordable ones to start. Is the 21st that much better than say the Hornady ?

I'm intrigued by the 21st's with the neck turner floating and the case holder too. Will any of the fixed ones work just as well as the floating ones? I use a Forster hand held in my vice with their black plastic handle and one I made with a Lee case holder. The best I can get is .0005 to .001. I see 21st cutter graduations are .0005. I was thinking just getting the neck turning tool by itself and pilots. 21st wants 140 bucks for the cutter tool/cutter and two pilots. Hornady wants $150 with 4 pilots. 21st has the cutter that takes a bit of the shoulder off unlike others.... Hornady doesn't. Hornadys adjustment is .0005 like the 21st's.

Hornady Like you said think of a lathe

 

[milboltnut]

Yeah when you think of it, a lathes axial is pretty much almost perfect. And I would think Hornadys set up is just that ! They give you 4 pilots too ! Only thing is the cutter doesn't ride the shoulder for donuts.

 

[338 dude]

Yeah when you think of it, a lathes axial is pretty much almost perfect. And I would think Hornadys set up is just that ! They give you 4 pilots too ! Only thing is the cutter doesn't ride the shoulder for donuts.

I turned the neck down just to the neck shoulder junction where it barely cuts into the shoulder I've had no problems for many years

 

[milboltnut]

the main thing is a finer adjustment on the dial. My Forster is .001 and has a lot of back lash, the others are .0005. I know that if you seat bullets at the junction, donuts are not a problem. I remember a guy telling me he seats the base at the junction and he shot 1K yard competitions. Any load I load I seat longer and don't go below that.

 

[338 dude]

the main thing is a finer adjustment on the dial. My Forster is .001 and has a lot of back lash, the others are .0005. I know that if you seat bullets at the junction, donuts are not a problem. I remember a guy telling me he seats the base at the junction and he shot 1K yard competitions. Any load I load I seat longer and don't go below that.

I use an expanding mandrel which supposedly pushes most of the imperfections to the outside where they can be cut off

 

[milboltnut]

I use an expanding mandrel which supposedly pushes most of the imperfections to the outside where they can be cut off

cut off at the junction. I use a expander mandrel too. I can't see any thing visible on the out side donut wise but you can see them inside even after the expander mandrel is used. A standard cutter doesn't cut down far enough from my understanding. But K&M has that pilot/reamer, that addresses it.

 

[338 dude]

cut off at the junction. I use a expander mandrel too. I can't see any thing visible on the out side donut wise but you can see them inside even after the expander mandrel is used. A standard cutter doesn't cut down far enough from my understanding. But K&M has that pilot/reamer, that addresses it.

I trim with a Wilson trimmer and I do have inside neck reamers although I have yet to use them

 

[milboltnut]

ok so when you said you barely cut into the shoulder mean you use a cutter with an angle on it than say the hornady station with a straight cutter.

 

[338 dude]

ok so when you said you barely cut into the shoulder mean you use a cutter with an angle on it than say the hornady station with a straight cutter.

I have a standard Hornady cutter and I barely touch the shoulder I've never had a neck separate or any problems yet

 

[338 dude]

I don't know if it's square or just has a different angle but I will take a pic in just a few minutes

 

[338 dude]

Cutter is not square but may or may not be the exact angle of my cartridge

 

[milboltnut]

the hornady cutter has a angle but what degree, who knows ! LOL They are all like that, so doesn't do anything.

 

[338 dude]

the hornady cutter has a angle but what degree, who knows ! LOL They are all like that, so doesn't do anything.

Don't overthink it it works fine for me I'm sure it would be better to know the angle match it and have other cutters but like I said I've had no problem for several years