went shooting today and took out a savage 111 2506 that i bought used on a wim and a 243 axis i bought for my grandaughter. I had about 10 differnt loads for each and took them home and pulled the bullets. Both guns shot just at 3/4s of a inch for 5 shots with the first ####### load i shot in them. Wish some of my 1000 dollar guns did that well. Figured it wasnt even worth the bother of shooting other loads. Thats good enough for this guy.