You guys must not be familiar with shooters.com I coulda used some of your guys expertise over there. It was me vs the whole forum. I try to stay out of LR hunting topics over at shooters.com, but I just cant really seem to help it since I love it so much. Everyone thinks any shot past 300 yards is not neccesary or they give you some "ethical" ******** stories. I keep trying to remind them that the weekedn hunters and the ones that shoot maybe couple times a year are the ones that lose and wound all the animals. They never comment on that though. This site is the best and my favorite site on the internet now. I have learned so much on here in the short time I have been a member. When I'm older and have a better job I'll be getting some new LR guns and the such.