I've looked a lot but never have seen them except on the internet and in videos. I think at one point midway usa had some but they are all back order everywhere. I currently shoot a lot of 168 AMAX. I will be testing some 178 ELDx bullet later when things dry up a little. My gun has a 1-12 twist so the 178's is abut as high as I want to go, possible some 180's. When I shot a few 178 earlier this year the 168's and 178 almost used the same dope with the 178 hitting a little harder (more retained energy) at 1000 yrds than the 168's. But I would still like to try some 168 ABLR bullets.