Berger Makes 3 different 180gr .284 bullets; VLD hunting, VLD taget, and Hybrid target. BCs are equal for both the hunting and target VLD, and a little bit higher on the hybrid target. If I understand it correctly, the VLDs are the same bullet, with the exception the target has a thicker jacket. My question is does the Hybrid target have the same thickness of jacket as the VLD target? I've got a buddy who is thinking about a 7RUM barrel. I load a 162gr A-max in my Dad's 7RM. I would like to see how the 180gr Bergers do in the 7RUM. Is there anybody using the 180 hybrids on game? If so how were terminal ballistics? The BC is a little higher on the hybrid, also more likely to not be seating depth sensitive. I'm going to try the 180 VLD hunting if he gets the barrel. I see no point in trying the 180 hybrid if guys aren't getting good terminal ballistics with them. It would be nice to have a bullet with a higher BC, and not so picky about seating depth, but pointless if they "pencil" through game. I don't want to start a debate about what the box says; hunting, target, match, tactical, ect. I'm interested in real world performance. I've seen plenty of critters put down with "paper punchers". In fact I load a few different "paper punchers" for my hunting rifles. I have yet to read a thread comparing 180VLD hunting and 180 hybrid target bullets concerning terminal ballistics.