Don't be a poacher.

KyCarl said:
I can show you plenty of Private Beaches! Would you care to place a wager?
I lived in South Florida and there are plenty of them!
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It is not legal.
People try to enforce what they cannot.
The area between the high and low tide, the actual beach is public access.
Yes, I may have to walk 5 miles from the nearest point of public access, but as long as I stay in that area between high and low tide, you cannot evict me.
The ocean is a public right of way.
I can sail on your beach, I can swim on your beach, I can stand knee deep in the water and fish all day. I can do anything I want....except come up past that high tide mark.

When people talk about private beaches, they are talking about the inland sand dunes.

Yes, you can control that.

But often people think they can keep you entirely off the beach.
They cannot.
 
mdk777 said:
Game remains a public property,a public resource, even on your private land.
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Yes...you are correct...but when it is on "your private land" no one else is supposed to be trespassing and shooting that game unless they have permission from that landowner....
Hence the laws of criminal trespass....he trespasses..kills a deer on his neighbors property...with a firearm....or any weapon as far as that goes.....its the firearm that raises the anty to the criminal offense...
And if you are paying the state for a license and tag....guess who thi ks they own them....not the public...'the state'....not the feds either.....
Hell....here in Idaho the new law says that if you trespass even unknowingly you can be dealt a fairly harsh penalty....and that's an accidental trespass....maybe just crossing a creek bottom to get to federal lands.....without thinking of shooting something....
You can not be serious...you must be bored on a Friday and just ribbing everyone here......
 
26Reload said:
Yes...you are correct...but when it is on "your private land" no one else is supposed to be trespassing and shooting that game unless they have permission from that landowner....
Hence the laws of criminal trespass....he trespasses..kills a deer on his neighbors property...with a firearm....or any weapon as far as that goes.....its the firearm that raises the anty to the criminal offense...
And if you are paying the state for a license and tag....guess who thi ks they own them....not the public...'the state'....not the feds either.....
Hell....here in Idaho the new law says that if you trespass even unknowingly you can be dealt a fairly harsh penalty....and that's an accidental trespass....maybe just crossing a creek bottom to get to federal lands.....without thinking of shooting something....
You can not be serious...you must be bored on a Friday and just ribbing everyone here......
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Our legal system is indeed a mash-up of overlying jurisdictions and laws.
Kill an endanger species and tell me that you will not run afoul of the feds.

Same with migratory waterfowl...highly regulated by feds.

I will give you this, the level of bureaucracy and legalism has made nearly all of us criminals even when we do not know it.

The EPA wanted to extend their jurisdiction to any spot where rain fell and could possibly one day make its way to a waterway.

I was driving down the high way in the middle of INDIANA and they had place signs in the ditch. (Water way of the USA) I kid you not. It was a move by OBAMA to extend the power of the federal government to virtually every square inch of the USA(ultra extreme expansion of the commerce clause)

But long story short, no I am not joking.

There has to be a balance.

People are talking here like they have the right to "own" the game on their property.
This is just the flip side of the Feds saying they have the right to control everything.

Both extremes are wrong in my book.

There is important legal, ethical and historical reasons we separate land rights, mineral rights, and public area rights. These are not trivial matters.

On my last duck hunting trip, two of our dozen were lands rights lawyers.
Nearly 10 percent of the group made their entirely livelihood arguing these cases.
 
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Okay....so here is the next situation that you just eluded too...
CAN ANYONE LEGALLY OWN LIVE GAME....deer were not domesticated before all the monies started flowing...now look at all the deer farms....where did all those deer come from....one ranch...NOT...they were here well before man...as too the pronghorn...only place on earth they are native...America...
Feds hanging us out to dry isn't anything new...the tried to make people move from a creek bottom because it was a frogs only place of existence.....but was it native...who knows.....
But criminally trespassing to kill a deer on a neighbor's property is not new news.....but an Amish guy that isn't supposed to be driving a car using a rifle to kill that deer is ridiculous upon itself.....why didnt he use the horse and pull the plow over there and hit it......roadkill....
 
Yes it is not your game animal BUT there are laws in many states relative to Recreational Trespass which does increase penalties for taking of game without permission.

For example:
Recreational Trespass
Alabama: Section 9-11-241HUNTING,TRAPPING,ETC.,OF WILD GAME DURING DAY ON LANDS OF ANOTHER WITHOUT PERMISSIONAny person who hunts, traps, captures, injures, kills, or destroys, or attempts to hunt, trap, capture, injure, kill, or destroy any wild game on the lands of another between the hours of daylight and sunset without the written permission of or accompanied by the landowner or person in possession or control of the lands shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be punished for the first offense by a fine of not less than one thousand dollars ($1,000), and at the discretion of the court may have all hunting license privileges revoked for up to one year from the date of conviction. Any person shall be punished for the second and each subsequent offense by a fine of not less thantwo thousand dollars ($2,000) and the revocation of all hunting license privileges for one year from the date of conviction, and shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a period notless than 10 nor more than 30 days.This section shall not apply to the members of the family, guests, servants, or agents of thelandowne

Michigan recreational trespass laws beef up the criminal trespassing penalties when the purpose of the trespass is hunting, shooting, fishing and other recreational sports. In this instance, an intruder must presume that entry is prohibited – and to do so would be trespassing – if there's a boundary fence and a minimum 50-square-inch sign posted at the property warning people to stay out. If found guilty, the trespasser faces a fine up to $500 and 90 days' jail time, rising to $750 if the trespasser kills a protected animal, game or fish. Second and subsequent violations can receive heavier fines.

So although the landowner does not "own" the game animals, the taking of game without permission can result in severe penalties.
 
KyCarl said:
In Kentucky if it was my property I could legally take the deer! The warden would help me
And I would do it just so he couldn't have it!
Take a good look at them..All is not Lilly white!
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Same thing in florida if you catch em you get the game the warden gets the gun truck 4wheeler and the poacher gets a all expence paid vaca in our lovely jail system.
 
mdk777 said:
Because people keep confabulating the two.
Taking game off your land is not a crime.

You all sound like people who own beach front property and think they can keep people off of "their beach"
Public rights and public beach access are not abridged just because you purchased the adjacent land.

Game remains a public property,a public resource, even on your private land.
Yes, you can control access to your land. But you will never own the wild animals on it.

It is an important concept that the entire hunting community used to understand.

I'm just not seeing it voiced here.
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Taking game from land you do not own or have permission to hunt on is a crime no the land owner doesn't own the game but he does own the right to decide who does and doesn't take that game while it is on his property if you shoot a deer on your property and it crosses to your neighbors it is no longer your game legally you have no right to shoot from your property on to your neighbors
 
Muddyboots said:
Yes it is not your game animal BUT there are laws in many states relative to Recreational Trespass which does increase penalties for taking of game without permission.

For example:
Recreational Trespass
Alabama: Section 9-11-241HUNTING,TRAPPING,ETC.,OF WILD GAME DURING DAY ON LANDS OF ANOTHER WITHOUT PERMISSIONAny person who hunts, traps, captures, injures, kills, or destroys, or attempts to hunt, trap, capture, injure, kill, or destroy any wild game on the lands of another between the hours of daylight and sunset without the written permission of or accompanied by the landowner or person in possession or control of the lands shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be punished for the first offense by a fine of not less than one thousand dollars ($1,000), and at the discretion of the court may have all hunting license privileges revoked for up to one year from the date of conviction. Any person shall be punished for the second and each subsequent offense by a fine of not less thantwo thousand dollars ($2,000) and the revocation of all hunting license privileges for one year from the date of conviction, and shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a period notless than 10 nor more than 30 days.This section shall not apply to the members of the family, guests, servants, or agents of thelandowne

Michigan recreational trespass laws beef up the criminal trespassing penalties when the purpose of the trespass is hunting, shooting, fishing and other recreational sports. In this instance, an intruder must presume that entry is prohibited – and to do so would be trespassing – if there's a boundary fence and a minimum 50-square-inch sign posted at the property warning people to stay out. If found guilty, the trespasser faces a fine up to $500 and 90 days' jail time, rising to $750 if the trespasser kills a protected animal, game or fish. Second and subsequent violations can receive heavier fines.

So although the landowner does not "own" the game animals, the taking of game without permission can result in severe penalties.
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Yes, laws multiply like flies.
Building anything has become a dangerous legal hazard.
state, federal, and local codes....so many that even the experts don't really know if they are in compliance.

A recent study in Austin TX said that these layers of legalize FULLY DOUBLE the cost of building a home or apartment.

Just saying, knowing the basic concepts of good law is no longer sufficient.
If you have the time and money, you can keep anyone in court for the rest of their lives over nothing...absolutely nothing.

So, yeah...if you want to bring charges against your neighbor for some form of trespass, I'm sure you can find grounds.
But if I pay more lawyers longer....you may face harassment, or defamation, or discrimination torts....just be careful what you wish for...you may get it.
 
EMC2015 said:
Just country- your sense of humor makes light of some of the leftards replying in this thread. Lol

like that Bill Nye guy who works in a "lab". Lmfao. He had to one up all the poor land-owning peasants here who had no clue we could have immanent domain shoved down are throats for the holidays at any given moment. We dont own the land bro, we get it. We just rentin' for life.

But let me ask you this "mr bureaucrat", out of the dozens of scumbag poachers, yes, I said Poachers, that have shot deer illegally on our farm in the last 15 years, at NIGHT with a firearm, next to a house... is that grounds for trespassing, armed trespassing, or poaching, or all of the above.??

My kids sleep in safety, I have night vision for a reason. F#% YOU, and your dumb opinion of what or how i, or we, should handle a poacher or whatever you call it in your Libby run state, when a scumbag has discharged a weapon in the dark, less than 100yds from my kids.

It really grinds my axe when someone tries to politicize poaching and trespassing. Its bs. The entitlement nowadays is ridiculous. Posted signs mean nothing.


Guess it's time to fill that cooler and watch em swing by their necks, maybe I'll get back on the wagon too.


Oh and btw, wash the beach sand out of your gash, not making yourself look any smarter, BRO.
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See my response above.

Your over reaction and violent threats don't make you look any smarter or more reasonable.

I watch what I say in public, because I know that the gatcha people will be triggered.
If you said that rant to me in public, you would be the one in legal jeopardy, not the "poacher or trespasser"

PS, you missed where I said my politics were further right of the right.
You still need balance or you end up looking just as extreme as the communist left.
If we allowed unlimited private property rights, you end up with feudalism.
Our entire history and Constitution is repudiation of unlimited Government and INDIVIDUAL rights. I can't grant to unlimited rights in your "fiefdom" and still protect my and the collective rights.
There has to be balance or only the mob rules (what the liberal left desires)
 
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