Backup handgun for surprise close hunting situations.

There are hundreds of opinions on this and I went through it a while back and these were my findings. I have been a fan of most cartridges at one time or another. so I needed to do my own evaluation.

After looking at the choices for a semi auto I chose the 10 mm.

For wheel guns I found the 454 Casull very good but the 460 S&W ended up my favorite all round.

Hear are some energies for different cartridges based on the average bullet weight for that cartridge. (Not the heaviest or the fastest).

Starting with the 38 special +p Muzzle energy was average of 258 ft/lbs
Next was the 357 mag at 548 ft/lbs.
Then came the 10 mm at 650 ft/lbs
The 41 mag went to 788 ft lbs muzzle energy.
The 44 mag produced an average energy of 971 ft/lbs.
The 45 ACP was a disappointing 464 ft/lbs
The 454 came in at 1870 ft/lbs
And the 460 delivered 2220 ft/lbs at the muzzle.
And the 500 S&W went to 2842 ft/lbs of energy.

These were all average energies and velocities so heavier bullets with less velocity may have more energy, but become hard for some to handle.

Each person has to decide how much recoil he can handle and how much energy is needed for the purpose.

More is not always better, but it is always more.

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I too chose a 10 mm for Woods carry. Accuracy and shots on target were much much greater than any revolver I have ever shot. That's just me. Many guys choose a wheel gun because their accuracy is better. Firepower is greater also as my 10 mm magazine holds 19 rounds. I chose Underwood 10 mm 220 hardcast ammo to carry in the woods. This combination is strictly for defense while in the bear Woods. With a 6-inch barrel those 220 hardcast bullets are running about 1,380 feet a second. Energy is roughly in the mid 800s.
 
My 2 cents here! As much as I love my S&W 460, it's better suited as a hunting handgun utilizing a longer (8 3/8") barrel, I'd suggest the Ruger Alaskan in .454. With either handgun in the short barreled versions, I lean toward the Ruger, solely because it's a smaller lighter package. At the ranges it would be used for defense, the power differences is in consequential. Which ever you chose, go with the 360 grain, hard cast, wide metplat bullet. Buffalo Bore offers this in both calibers! memtb
 
Got the Razor mounted, and a few rounds down range. Seems to work exactly as advertised.

Pros: It's light and relatively easy to operate. Definitely easier to precisely aim than black on black irons.

Cons: Surprisingly hard (slow) to find the dot on presentation. 2 decades of muscle memory bring my eye in well below the red dot, and I have to search around for it. I'm getting an extra tall front sight, which should help draw my eye to the right spot (the Venom has some cursory white "rear sight" lines on it). Also, the dot is actually a little too bright on the lowest setting. In low light, it's still pretty flared and bright.

All in all, I think it's just about exactly what I'm after. Now I need to apply some "precision reloading" techniques to my pistol ammo. I'm currently seeing huge ES/SD, and getting groups that aren't as good as I'd like.



Just weighed my 2 44s and the 454, and there's not a ton of difference. All three are pretty hefty, but not like an X-Frame Smith...

8 3/8" S&W 629 = 3.43 lbs
4 3/4" 454 with Venom = 3.34 lbs
4 5/8" Ruger BH = 2.64

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Think you can get the ES down with carefully trimmed brass and playing with the crimp. Usually more is better.
 
Handgun hunting is a totally different world than hunting with a rifle. I've done a fair amount of it and finally decided that a rifle kills so much quicker and is so much easier to shoot accurately than a handgun that I'm primarily a rifle hunter again.

All that being said I found that my my favorite after owning, shooting and hunting everything from 357 magnum all the way up to 500 S&W magnum that my 10mm Glock Model 20 is so incredibly easy to draw and shoot quickly and accurately and 14 rounds in the magazine gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that I can quickly deliver a rain of vicious projectiles that very few animals smaller than a Cape Buffalo would be able to face.

Shot placement is incredibly important with a handgun and you're shooting a gun that is WAAAAAY harder to shoot accurately and the heavier magnums will recoil so much that even when your adrenaline is running wide open you will have a LOT of trouble getting off killing rounds quickly. Enter the 10mm cartridge. It propels a medium (for caliber) weight bullet nearly as fast as a 41 mag but due to the Glock's low recoil and design you can dump a magazine pretty darn quickly if you have reasonable strength and experience.

I know that one shot one kill is paramount when hunting medium to large game and spray and pray is the mark of a rank amateur but if I can't take that one killing shot with a great certainty that a quick follow up shot won't be necessary then I opt for medium killing power (10mm fits that bill well) and the ability to deliver a lot more rounds quickly may make for a messy kill but at the point of a ****ing match for who's top of the food chain it becomes, at least for me, a final outcome of who wins with the least amount of damage then I'll reach for that Glock 10mm every time and won't worry much about a bloody carcass with little salvageable meat.

By the way. I used to live in south Florida and killed a boat load of hogs with my Glock Model 20 10mm and I was shocked at how efficiently it dispatched them but then my shots were usually 10-30 yards and quick follow up shots are easy even with a handgun at that range. The exception was of course the big boars and then nothing short of my 300 mag impressed them much unless I went for the classic under the ear shot which can be pretty tough to deliver because most shots when hunting hogs on foot are on moving targets. At least for me they were and one was never enough hogs because I had hungry neighbors to feed. ;)

I know I've mixed hunting with self defense here but I've done both and the 10mm cartridge does it for both for me unless I'm hunting elk, moose, or bear and not carrying a rifle as well.

Once again... A 308 rifle with a 150-180gr bullet is a WAAAAAAAY better choice for hunting medium to large game and ANY handgun is only marginal even for self defense. If a bear or other big nasty critter gets ****ed enough at you to sort you out in a permanent fashion the handgun is probably not going to get deployed in time to do much good. Most large game can move in excess of 30mph and that doesn't give you much time to do any more than say oh crap!
 
Though the OP wasn't about handgun self defense, I would concur that several 0.400" holes in a critter is probably about the best medicine for anything smaller than a big grizzly. I've done penetration testing with a bunch of stuff, and a hard cast ANYTHING with a sectional density greater than about 0.18, traveling at about 1200 fps, will go DEEP.

The only issue I have with the G20 as a defensive rig, is the reliability at bear hug range. Any interference with the slide will cause it to malfunction. With a revolver, you can press it against the fur and let it rip until whatever you ****ed off stops chewing on you.

Regarding the original topic, I got out today with some fresh hand loads for the FA 454. Managed to keep all my groups under 6 MOA at 20 yds while sitting in a chair and using a tripod as a makeshift rest. I figure that's getting there for a 75-100 yd shot on an elk in field conditions. After I get my loads dialed in, I'll practice on a 12" plate and see how far I can make hits from various "real world" positions.
 
Handgun hunting is a totally different world than hunting with a rifle. I've done a fair amount of it and finally decided that a rifle kills so much quicker and is so much easier to shoot accurately than a handgun that I'm primarily a rifle hunter again.

All that being said I found that my my favorite after owning, shooting and hunting everything from 357 magnum all the way up to 500 S&W magnum that my 10mm Glock Model 20 is so incredibly easy to draw and shoot quickly and accurately and 14 rounds in the magazine gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that I can quickly deliver a rain of vicious projectiles that very few animals smaller than a Cape Buffalo would be able to face.

Shot placement is incredibly important with a handgun and you're shooting a gun that is WAAAAAY harder to shoot accurately and the heavier magnums will recoil so much that even when your adrenaline is running wide open you will have a LOT of trouble getting off killing rounds quickly. Enter the 10mm cartridge. It propels a medium (for caliber) weight bullet nearly as fast as a 41 mag but due to the Glock's low recoil and design you can dump a magazine pretty darn quickly if you have reasonable strength and experience.

I know that one shot one kill is paramount when hunting medium to large game and spray and pray is the mark of a rank amateur but if I can't take that one killing shot with a great certainty that a quick follow up shot won't be necessary then I opt for medium killing power (10mm fits that bill well) and the ability to deliver a lot more rounds quickly may make for a messy kill but at the point of a ----ing match for who's top of the food chain it becomes, at least for me, a final outcome of who wins with the least amount of damage then I'll reach for that Glock 10mm every time and won't worry much about a bloody carcass with little salvageable meat.

By the way. I used to live in south Florida and killed a boat load of hogs with my Glock Model 20 10mm and I was shocked at how efficiently it dispatched them but then my shots were usually 10-30 yards and quick follow up shots are easy even with a handgun at that range. The exception was of course the big boars and then nothing short of my 300 mag impressed them much unless I went for the classic under the ear shot which can be pretty tough to deliver because most shots when hunting hogs on foot are on moving targets. At least for me they were and one was never enough hogs because I had hungry neighbors to feed. ;)

I know I've mixed hunting with self defense here but I've done both and the 10mm cartridge does it for both for me unless I'm hunting elk, moose, or bear and not carrying a rifle as well.

Once again... A 308 rifle with a 150-180gr bullet is a WAAAAAAAY better choice for hunting medium to large game and ANY handgun is only marginal even for self defense. If a bear or other big nasty critter gets ----ed enough at you to sort you out in a permanent fashion the handgun is probably not going to get deployed in time to do much good. Most large game can move in excess of 30mph and that doesn't give you much time to do any more than say oh crap!
We'll stated.
 
Pistol choice without a doubt is use specific. In a perfect world, providing a big bore wheel gun had controllable recoil and fast follow up ability, it would be a no brainer on which to use in ALL woods scenarios. The big bore wheel guns win hands down as hunting pistols in pretty much all scenarios. Boar hunting may be the exception. The semi auto IMO wins hands down in a defensive pistol scenario in a woods defense scenario. Again just my opionion. Obviously a powerful semi able to penetrate very well and an accurate one for the obvious. I feel whatever makes a person confident is what they should carry. There is one thing that's necessary regardless of what choice is made. Practice. Nothing beats time at the range with whatever you carry afield to either keep you safe or allow perfect shot placement on a game animal.
 
Regarding the original topic, I got out today with some fresh hand loads for the FA 454. Managed to keep all my groups under 6 MOA at 20 yds while sitting in a chair and using a tripod as a makeshift rest. I figure that's getting there for a 75-100 yd shot on an elk in field conditions. After I get my loads dialed in, I'll practice on a 12" plate and see how far I can make hits from various "real world" positions.
Open sights or optics?

Looking at a .454 Ruger Super Blackhawk for a woods carry gun.
 
Open sights or optics?

Looking at a .454 Ruger Super Blackhawk for a woods carry gun.


A great choice, "IF"....in a crisis scenario, you will "thumb the hammer" as a REFLEX action! If you shoot single action with regularity....this should be a non issue! Just my 2 cents worth! May you never need it! memtb
 
A great choice, "IF"....in a crisis scenario, you will "thumb the hammer" as a REFLEX action! If you shoot single action with regularity....this should be a non issue! Just my 2 cents worth! May you never need it! memtb
I shoot cowboy action competition at least twice a month, so that's not a problem.

Hogs and dogs are the biggest concern down here in the swamps - after snakes.
 
I shoot cowboy action competition at least twice a month, so that's not a problem.

Hogs and dogs are the biggest concern down here in the swamps - after snakes.

Where I grew up, Louisiana, we didn't have swamps....I have no knowledge of such things! :D memtb
 
Where I grew up, Louisiana, we didn't have swamps....I have no knowledge of such things! :D memtb
:cool: Not sure where you grew up in the great state of Louisiana:eek:.

I spend quite a bit of time in Slidell as well as Vidalia and Ruston.
 
:cool: Not sure where you grew up in the great state of Louisiana:eek:.

I spend quite a bit of time in Slidell as well as Vidalia and Ruston.



Born and raised 20 miles north of "Red Stick". Spend all available time when not in scholol, in Evangeline Parish! memtb
 
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