New Bow Sight

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Hey guys, my old bow gave up the ghost so my wife's buying me a new one. My bros and I regularly shoot at targets way out there using a holdover technique. I used to shoot a Bowtech Black Knight 2 and had a 120yd pin.

Well, sold the BK2 a few years ago and have been shooting an old beater- the bow that gave up the ghost- ever since.

With long range in mind, I wanted a Spot Hogg Boss Hogg sight with 7 pins, but due to price, I ordered a Montana Black Gold Ascent with 7 .010 pins. That's 30-90 before the wheel takes over.

From 100yds on is set by the wheel on the ascent. The sight is similar to the Tommy Hogg from Spot Hogg, minus the blue pin.

Anyway, I spec'd a bow for speed (not ultimate speed, but as much as I can get at 6" brace height), so I'm hoping to have an accurate pin out to atleast 130, if not 150.

Who around here has a pin that far?

 

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Well, got in the APA Mamba M6, Montana Black Gold Ascent with 7 pins, the Goat Tuff Equalizer release and have been shooting. Don't have all the pins sighted in yet, but the Mamba is definitely fast. Just shot around 50 arrows to break in the string from 20-40yds and she seems to be shooting well. That Equalizer release is tough (haha, pun intended) to get used to, but after 50 arrows or so, I'm starting to get the hang of it. Installed the peep late yesterday.

I think because of the style of shooting we do and the abundance of range this sight offers, I'm going to sight the pins in from 20-80 and have the wheel take over from there. I need the precision of the 20yd pin for shooting through the mesquite lanes and such. I should still be able to get out there and touch some long range stuff. What do you think?

 

[Scot E]

New archery gear is always a blast!

Well, I think you may end up liking that Black gold sight more the the spot hogg. they are really nice sights IMO.

I have a black gold 7 pin without the whell which gets me to about 75 yards, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 70, 75. From there I will use a bracketing technique to get me further.

If you haven't heard of the anchor site I would encourage you to spend some time looking at. It is a replacement for your peep and will make you a more accurate shooter at the distances you are shooting. The precision required compared to that of a peep is hardly even comparable. Plus the days of loosing light because of your peep is gone. The speed loss because of a peep on your string is gone. You can also bracket with your anchor sight which gets you even further down range. It is a fantastic setup.

The only other thing I would have you consider is arrow weight. Most guys try to go light when they shoot long distance but past about 50-60 yards a heavier arrow will shoot flatter. Very similar concept to the LRH hunting game with heavy bullets. I have done multiple tests and have yet to find a light weight arrow that outperforms a heavier one at the kind of distances you are talking. I would also be pretty close to a neutral FOC with a good twist or offset on the fletching to keep the arrow stable.

Have fun!

Scot E.

 

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New archery gear is always a blast!

Well, I think you may end up liking that Black gold sight more the the spot hogg. they are really nice sights IMO.

I have a black gold 7 pin without the whell which gets me to about 75 yards, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 70, 75. From there I will use a bracketing technique to get me further.

If you haven't heard of the anchor site I would encourage you to spend some time looking at. It is a replacement for your peep and will make you a more accurate shooter at the distances you are shooting. The precision required compared to that of a peep is hardly even comparable. Plus the days of loosing light because of your peep is gone. The speed loss because of a peep on your string is gone. You can also bracket with your anchor sight which gets you even further down range. It is a fantastic setup.

The only other thing I would have you consider is arrow weight. Most guys try to go light when they shoot long distance but past about 50-60 yards a heavier arrow will shoot flatter. Very similar concept to the LRH hunting game with heavy bullets. I have done multiple tests and have yet to find a light weight arrow that outperforms a heavier one at the kind of distances you are talking. I would also be pretty close to a neutral FOC with a good twist or offset on the fletching to keep the arrow stable.

Have fun!

Scot E.

Thanks Scot E. I'm liking the sight so far. It's very well made. I'll look into that anchor site. For arrows, I'm shooting the Gold Tip XT Velocity 300s and my arrows weigh around 388grains with 100g field points. The FOC is a little more than I'd like at 12%, but I probably should've went with 3" vanes rather than the 2.1" AAE Max Hunters. I might add some weight to the nock area to balance this out. So far, they shoot great though. We'll see Saturday when I sight in some pins.

 

[Scot E]

FOr comparisons. One of the arrow tests I did was with an arrow at just a grain or two under 400 and one at 488. The heavier arrow still won out on that test. So I think you can add some weight and still be fine.

I haven't had the chance yet but am very interested to try out the nufletch system. It adds about 50-60 grains on the back of your arrow, changes FOC to neutral, and also gives you a very easy way to replace fletching quickly and easily. I have yet to see a review from anyone that likes to shoot LR so it would be a fun test.

I currently use FOB's for fletching now and if you shoot a drop away rest they are about as good as it gets for minimizing wind drift. Much better than any of the 2 inch vanes I have tried.

Scot E.

 

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I do and mine is not cheap ax 3000, HHA 0.010 pin, lens kit, peep verifier... I'm getting ready to do some changes I hope will extend my range out beyond 200- no kidding!

 

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Scott, the problem with heavier arrows is the short distance speed. I still need the speed to shoot under branches and through lanes at close range. I guess there's a fine balance between arrow weight and speed for the whole range of distances.

 

[Scot E]

I hear that. Different styles of hunting will require different features. I hunt out west in wide open spaces so my needs are likely different.

I would say this though. Unless you are going really heavy there isn't much difference between the fast arrows and slow arrows up close either. My pin gap is still pretty close together even with my heavy arrows. In many cases I could use the same pin gap up close and just be an inch or so high but it was the much less drop at farther distances that made me realize the better efficiency of the heavier arrows. Plus, if a guy gets good at using his pins to determine where the arrow is going to be through flight at closer ranges it mostly is just a matter of putting it all together correctly.

Scot E.

 

[1blacktail]

Top pin ten pin is a great sight, I shoot out to 150 all the time but I had to adjust my peep and anchor up higher on my string