Bone to pick with new rifle owners - 100 yards out of the box

I hope you were drinking a beer, and sharpening your skates at the same time, otherwise its not all that impressive 😁
Nope, but I was changing the oil in the truck so I could go get the deer while sipping on some Jim Beam after the shot...after all, I didn't want to spill my drink from the recoil............just saying.
 
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I shoot a LOT of rimfire. Trigger time is good no matter what it is attached to. I also shoot a lot of cast bullet handgun loads. I have seen a lot of good rifle shooters that are just okay with a handgun, but never seen a handgunner that can't shoot very good with a rifle. Those short barrels really magnify small errors.
 
That's nothing.....I can shoot a running deer at 1000 yards, in the blowing snow, over a hill where you can just see the top of it's head, through the woods, using a 22 Hornet rifle with open sights, resting over my shoulder, using a mirror to see the sights and hit him in the heart. Oh, and that would be at dusk...........beer cans are too easy.
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Has anyone seen hip boots on sale anywhere lately? I need a new set.
I have this weekend off. Could you teach me to do that on Saturday?
 
I shoot a LOT of rimfire. Trigger time is good no matter what it is attached to. I also shoot a lot of cast bullet handgun loads. I have seen a lot of good rifle shooters that are just okay with a handgun, but never seen a handgunner that can't shoot very good with a rifle. Those short barrels really magnify small errors.
I shoot 3 gun competition and the guys who join from USPSA (pistol only) really struggle with long range rifle. Usually field positions of various sorts with a low power optic on an ar15. Not long range rigs but certainly capable, if hampered a bit by the 1-4 or 1-6 optics favored by the competitors.

Those of us who grew up on rifles can fairly reliably smack 18"x24" plates from 150 to 550 yards as long as we're not rushing it, although those little 55gr fmj's do move a fair bit from wind at 550. The pistol guys, however, struggle mightily with longer range rifle. They don't have the same mechanics for rifle, they tend to rush shots, and when they miss a few times they always speed up as though accuracy by volume is their intent.

For up close offhand shooting, the pistoleros can run an ar15 just as quick as any of the rifle guys. But they seem to fall apart when you make them slow down a hair and focus on stuff past 100.
 
The most common thing I see is the guys that buy a $30 Walmart special sightmark scope, then overtighten the hell out of the rings. Shoot one shot groups off a terrible rest while adjusting their zero and stop as soon as one shot lands within 3" of the bullseye. Then they wonder why they wound game every year. Which consequently leads to them thinking they need a rifle with more "knock-down power.
 
To most hunters in my part of the world 200 yards is a long shot. I'm fortunate enough to have a friend that farms and has a field where I can practice out to 1200 yards. I'm no great shot. Spasms from a back injury limit me. But I can hold my own and make decent wind calls some days. Where shooting at 1000-1200 yards has helped me more than anything is with my intermediate 500 to 800 yard shooting. Not that I shoot game that far but it really helps build confidence and teaches you your limitations.

Right now I feel very confident on a not windy day at 400 yards, so will take that shot. On a light wind day 200, fairly windy 100, truly gusty 50 yards.
My goal is to get where I feel 100% confidence shooting targets at 800 on a calm day, and will then hunt up to 600 yards away. On a really windy day all bets are off, and wouldn't be out hunting, and definitely not shoot past 50 yards.
When I can line up 20 beer cans say 5' apart and 800 yards away from me, and never miss 1, I'll call myself proficient at 800 yards, and ready to hunt to 600 which is my goal.
Maybe I hold myself to higher standards than some others do, but I don't want to be mediocre.
And I really don't care if people want to laugh and joke about it, go ahead.
But I push myself daily to do the best I can, no matter what the task is.
Not everyone wants to do so.
Some will settle for hitting a large piece of paper at just 300 yards, to me that makes them possibly proficient at 15 yards.
I practice in my daily existence, just calming myself, then holding my breath, and envisioning my fingers slowly squeezing a shot off. Silly? Maybe to some, but I came to realize that breath control and gentlest squeeze were my two main problems before, so worked on them.
That helped immensely for me.
Lay down get comfortable first, control your breathing, calm your nerves, then move slowly and methodically, no quick or jerky movements. Don't even take in a big breath, when ready, just a normal breath, hold it, and squeeze ever so gently.
 
I work at a LGS, I have guys tell me all the time that a box of ammo will last them 15 years or more.

And this is what is out there during hunting season.

Shouldn't last 15 days.

If they are poor and can't afford to shoot their usually hunting rounds much, buy a 22 or 30-30 and put the vast majority of rounds through them, and just shoot say 3 box of their hunting ammo annually.
A 500 count pail of 22 is dirt cheap, and really 500 rounds of 30-30 doesn't cost much either.
For the same as 1 months mortgage payment, a person can buy a lot of ammo, and get a lot of enjoyment from it.
Why not go shoot at least once a week.
 
Right now I feel very confident on a not windy day at 400 yards, so will take that shot. On a light wind day 200, fairly windy 100, truly gusty 50 yards.
My goal is to get where I feel 100% confidence shooting targets at 800 on a calm day, and will then hunt up to 600 yards away. On a really windy day all bets are off, and wouldn't be out hunting, and definitely not shoot past 50 yards.
When I can line up 20 beer cans say 5' apart and 800 yards away from me, and never miss 1, I'll call myself proficient at 800 yards, and ready to hunt to 600 which is my goal.
For you or anyone else to hit 20 beer cans in a row at 800 yards, your rifle better be the best of the best. Meaning it better shoot less than .300 groups at 100 yards consistently...that means EVERY shot. A beer can is 2 1/2" in diameter. So, half of the beer can is 1 1/4". So, intrinsic accuracy says
.300 x 8(800 yards)=2.4" which means everything would have to be perfect for every shot to get a hit. We haven't even talked about shooting under field conditions or the fact that factory ammo isn't capable of that type of accuracy, or a 1 mph breeze that you can't perceive between you and the beer can or mirage or even parallax in the optics. You're talking about world record, benchrest, hall of fame shooters accuracy that is shot with big, heavy, wide forearm rifles, with heavy barrels, 2 ounce triggers, off of the best benchrests in the most controlled circumstances possible, off of the sturdiest benches....not off a bipod or a backpack or makeshift sand bags. I'll have to give you one thing....you do dream big for sure.
 
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For you to hit a beer can at 800 yards, your rifle better be the best of the best. Meaning it better shoot less than .300 groups at 100 yards consistently...that means EVERY shot. A beer can is 2 1/2" in diameter. So, half of the beer can is 1 1/4". So, intrinsic accuracy says .300 x 8 (800yards)=2.4" which means everything would have to be perfect for every shot to get a hit. We haven't even talked about shooting under field conditions or the fact that factory ammo isn't capable of that type of accuracy, or any breeze or even parallax in the optics. You're talking about world record, benchrest hall of fame shooters accuracy that is shot with big heavy wide forearm rifles, with heavy barrels, off of the best benchrests in the most controlled circumstances possible off of the sturdiest benches....not off a bipod or a backpack or makeshift sand bags. I'll have to give you one thing....you do dream big for sure.
And I thought I`d be doing pretty good if I could hit a 4" gong at 500 fairly consistently!
 

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