I Hate Hammer Bullets!

[Coues110]

I don't hate any bullets. I don't like that people are shut down in this forum for expressing their opinions. I and others have seen it. That's my belief anyway. If that is associated with a particular product it will not reflect well in marketing. You're feeling the effects obviously or you wouldn't have posted this thread.

I've always liked the innovation you bring to hunting bullets. They have attributes I like and some I don't, like BC and price, but I'd use them if I lived in a state that bans lead core bullets. They would probably be my first choice.

 

[RamTruckMan]

@Rich Coyle

SMH…Just giving him what was requested. These are all from Steve's original post:

Nobody has to be sly in starting threads that are anti Hammers by saying it is about more choices. Just let it out here. This is a safe place to do it.

I have one rule for this thread. I do not want any satisfied Hammer users to post on this thread. I don't want anyone to stick up for Hammer Bullets.

Let us know how you got this hatred.

I guess I was taking Steve at his word here when I posted.

 

[HVGBDT]

My son & i both shoot 6.5 PRCs from Christensen, both steel barrels w/ 1:8, his Mesa LR 26", mine MPR 24". Both shoot .250 to .400 with 124 HH @ 3420fps "Labradar" with RL-26. But.........i like to shoot heavier bullets, at least 140gr or higher & with high bc for at least out to 1000 yds. Your bullet was easy to load for with great consistency in es,sd & bug holes! But, want heavier weight that will handle 1:8 with a high bc.
Cost: yes they are just over twice as much as Hornady, but with powder a scarcity, get the most bang for your buck. The HH is very accurate!!
Thanks for your time & interest.

 

[R2rr]

Steve - you aren't going to get the input you want because most critics of Hammer bullets get banned from this site, yet your fanbase can do whatever they want with no consequences. You criticize hammer, you get banned. This is my opinion, but I know others share it. Here is some honest criticism:

1. Anytime another highly respected individual in the industry criticizes either monos or bcs, or your bullets performance you put them down to build yourself up. It is very off putting. Brian Litz and the guy who made the video posted by Feenix is an example. You come across as an arrogant A hole a lot of times when you could let your product speak itself.

2. You are always down playing BCs. No other bullet manufacturer makes excuses for their BCs like you do. It varies from rifle to rifle, you can never get them accurate etc. I NEVER hear another manufacturer do that. They post a relatively accurate BC on their website and we all make adjustments in our Ballistics software. Its ridiculous that you continue to do so. Just say my bullets BCs suck, they weren't meant for long range hunting, accept it and move on. I do believe that you intentionally posted higher BCs than were realistic on your site to appeal to the LRH crowd, but that is just my opinion, its hard to prove intent.

3. Your silence or smart A comments in threads where your fanbase is acting inappropriately is just as damning as you joining in and saying those things. It comes across as if you know they are defending you and you approve of the behavior.

4. I don't see it as hate for hammer bullets, I see it as hate for you and your fanbase based on behavior. Just look at this thread, you have supporters defending critical comments even though you asked them not to. Its absurd.
You can see every body is scared to be truly honest or critical for fear of getting banned. It almost always leads to a confrontation and a ban. Guys are tip toeing around the issues.

5. You get extremely defensive anytime there is criticism…you say you can take it and that you want it, but your behavior suggests otherwise sometimes.

Just for creating an account and voicing this I know my time on here is limited and I am guessing this post will be deleted. Just some honest thoughts, from some redneck that owns a lot of guns and shoots a lot of stuff…

Hooray!
RamTruckMan seems to be the first to post what Steve was looking for!
Come to think of it, Steve wasn't looking for this kind of reply, either. So, nevermind.

 

[colfaxent]

I have contemplated trying Hammers and the only the only thing that has stoppd me is that I have emailed them through their site many months ago , about 6, and again about a month ago and have never gotten a response from them. I have had some questions but they don't seem interested in answering them. Surprised their lack of supporting a new customer.

 

[cornshank]

Ok, you asked for the reasons I dislike hammers.
1. Only joined a month and a half ago and when someone says , oh that's a hammer, are they talking about a rifle or a bullet? I can't get used to the name.

2.never even heard of this brand of bullet let alone tried one,
So went to web site and the Bc listed is g7 instead of g1 ,like my bullet of choice does.
I like my over .500 g1 and like to compare apples to apples.
3. the price for 15 sample bullets.
4.I'm not going to give you about 10 ,( one liners with the word hammer in them ) .
5. the idea of changing bullets , after years of using my brand of choice doesn't sound good.
6.when I am forced by out of state regs to switch to non lead , I might have to hammer out an alternative.

 

[Dirtrax]

It is simply the over the top supporter base that won't leave open discussion alone. To fuel the fire I understand one of the most obvious "apologist's" received a rifle for their efforts.
I ordered a sample of your bullets recently. They are beautiful pieces, but I'm finding in MY unique application they don't fulfill my requirements. Heaven forbid I that I just said that out loud. I've already got an inbox full from folks jumping my @ss.

 

[Dirtrax]

Since when is F@NBOY a banned word?

 

[Rich Coyle]

@Rich Coyle

SMH…Just giving him what was requested. These are all from Steve's original post:

Nobody has to be sly in starting threads that are anti Hammers by saying it is about more choices. Just let it out here. This is a safe place to do it.

I have one rule for this thread. I do not want any satisfied Hammer users to post on this thread. I don't want anyone to stick up for Hammer Bullets.

Let us know how you got this hatred.

I guess I was taking Steve at his word here when I posted.

I must have not read Steve's post correctly. I was under the impression he wanted people who dislike his products to let him know why. You posted without personally trying the products.

It sure appears neither of us cooperated with Steve.

 

[NZTahr]

Horrendous freight cost to New Zealand.

 

[RamTruckMan]

I must have not read Steve's post correctly. I was under the impression he wanted people who dislike his products to let him know why. You posted without personally trying the products.

It sure appears neither of us cooperated with Steve.

How did you reach the conclusion that I have never used used them?

 

[Muddyboots]

How about we post reasons why you dislike/hate Hammers and leave personal attacks out of the opinion? When somebody starts the name calling, their post becomes locust noise and not worthy of any value. Speak with data. Comments on cost, BC are valid statements. Personal attacks are not.

 

[Gone Ballistic]

I don't even like the word hate because when I think of hating something, it takes energy and focus away from me that I would rather spend on liking something. There is too much hate in this world already to let it enter into my reloading bench.

 

[Mark37082]

Obviously I misunderstood the intent of the OP. Rants and personal attacks dont do anything to improve a product or service IMO. Constructive criticism or ideas for improvement are generally the main purpose of wanting feedback. I have read some of this here (BC improvements, availability in non-US areas, price points, load data). I hope something positive comes out of this.