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[Swamplord]

People are "worried" about BC because this is a LONG RANGE HUNTING website...500 yards barely qualifies as medium range. BC will outrun velocity everytime in LR and ELR. Under 500-600 yards, I agree, BC really doesn't make all that much difference. I'd rather run a smaller bullet faster for those ranges and just compensate for a tiny bit more wind drift. But, this is LRH, where guys hunt long range, this isn't 24hr Campfire where guys sit in a heated stand over a food plot all day.

BINGO !!

 

[WildRose]

I don't think they will become obsolete. The only caveat will be if they try to ban lead from hunting bullets. Then all bets are off. That is why we saw some of the major ammunition companies investing in lead free ammo. If we're not careful we'll price ourselves out of being able to hunt.

It is inevitable that at some point all lead will be banned from use on Public Lands.

As for pricing us out, the anti gun and anti hunting crowds have been working on ways to price us out of the shooting sports for decades.

We can adapt or die but we aren't going to change what is coming.

 

[WildRose]

This is an educational piece and it isn't BS!!! FEENIX is a great guy who possesses a lot of information and he is a wealth of information. He's the one who got me started with the .270 Ackley Improved and helped me get into fireforming brass. Now the the educational part of this reply!! If one were to click on a person's profile, there's a drop down menu and just below the profile photo there's a box that reads, "IGNORE", and that's all there is to it!!! If someone decides they want to act like the "southbound end of a northbound horse" that is the easiest solution; and I have done with this guy!!! I call it earning the "ignore button" and.......it isn't worn on one's lapel!!!

I spent a good portion of my life as many know training my own horses and dogs. I prefer gentle corrections when possible rather than overreacting or giving up on one that might have something to offer in the future.

Yes, that means sometimes you waste a lot of effort but it helps with keeping a positive attitude.

 

[WYOHTF]

I always chuckle when I hear this as well Hammers aint for everyone but I just find it odd that thousands of folks find the advertised BC to be really close and have no problems, But I'm just a supporter who's never tested anything

Well, I'm having a barrel throated specifically for a particular Hammer bullet.
I own a few boxes of Hammer bullets
I'm a proud fan boy

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

People are "worried" about BC because this is a LONG RANGE HUNTING website...500 yards barely qualifies as medium range. BC will outrun velocity everytime in LR and ELR. Under 500-600 yards, I agree, BC really doesn't make all that much difference. I'd rather run a smaller bullet faster for those ranges and just compensate for a tiny bit more wind drift. But, this is LRH, where guys hunt long range, this isn't 24hr Campfire where guys sit in a heated stand over a food plot all day.

Not to mention no body can read the wind 100% perfect, 100% of the time. People that shoot any distance know this. Anything we can do to help cheat the wind, the better.

 

[WYOHTF]

People are "worried" about BC because this is a LONG RANGE HUNTING website...500 yards barely qualifies as medium range. BC will outrun velocity everytime in LR and ELR. Under 500-600 yards, I agree, BC really doesn't make all that much difference. I'd rather run a smaller bullet faster for those ranges and just compensate for a tiny bit more wind drift. But, this is LRH, where guys hunt long range, this isn't 24hr Campfire where guys sit in a heated stand over a food plot all day.

I spit my drink

 

[DoneNOut]

I spent a good portion of my life as many know training my own horses and dogs. I prefer gentle corrections when possible rather than overreacting or giving up on one that might have something to offer in the future.

Yes, that means sometimes you waste a lot of effort but it helps with keeping a positive attitude.

That is such a beautiful life philosophy!

 

[WildRose]

Do you know why he gets to bed so late? He works a regular job and goes to college after hours. I've done that, and was up all hours doing homework, while juggling a family and their priorities. I am surprised he has time to eat, much less take a day out to go to the range. You might want to back off a little on the arrogance at this point, and actually read what he wrote about what time he has lately, and what he is doing.

Those of us who've done all that understand sometimes after a day of that you can't turn your brain off and need to head someplace quiet like this for a nice chat and to feed our hobbies so we can turn it all off and grab a couple of hours sleep before starting over.

 

[snox801]

People are "worried" about BC because this is a LONG RANGE HUNTING website...500 yards barely qualifies as medium range. BC will outrun velocity everytime in LR and ELR. Under 500-600 yards, I agree, BC really doesn't make all that much difference. I'd rather run a smaller bullet faster for those ranges and just compensate for a tiny bit more wind drift. But, this is LRH, where guys hunt long range, this isn't 24hr Campfire where guys sit in a heated stand over a food plot all day.

But will it have enough FPS when that bc matters to open up? It's based on case but I've found them very close so bc for hunting is not always better. Now it seems to matter less when talking small case size. I'd bet if I ran the number with my .375 bc would indeed matter more than say my 300 win mag for min fps.

 

[snox801]

Not to mention no body can read the wind 100% perfect, 100% of the time. People that shoot any distance know this. Anything we can do to help cheat the wind, the better.

Like more speed?

 

[WildRose]

Have you shot the Warner Flatline target bullets? Muzzle velocity for the 180 grain version of the 30 caliber bullet is 3015 feet per second for my 30-06 Defiance Deviant action, Huber 2.5 lb trigger, XLR chassis, and 22 inch 10 twist Lilja barrel. Consistently shoots 0.5 inch groups at 100 yards.

I haven't, admittedly when I find a bullet I can shoot well that gives me exactly the terminal ballistics I want on game I tend to cease experimenting with others.

I know the guys at Peregrine and have seen firsthand the work they are putting into their bullets, at times advancing the design more rapidly than I can keep up with from season to season.

Even though I'm mostly shooting prototype experimental bullets rather than their standard production bullets I have yet to see a failure or set back. That's a hard record to beat.

What I do know is that I can rely on them to perform exactly as I would like every time I pull the trigger with very little wasted meat, no exit wounds I can throw a volleyball through, and none ever just penciling through and I have yet to have a weird flier causing a bad hit or a clean miss.

I'm in the process of moving one last time this year and when I get settled in I'm going to have another long talk with them and see what advances they've made since the last five or six hundred came in because I'll probably be getting close to needing more.

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

Like more speed?

If it means you can push a low bc bullet fast enough to equal the wind drift of a high bc bullet, then sure thing!

 

[HuntnPack]

So if I shoot Large North American Game Mammals at less than 500-600 yds with a solid copper bullet from my bolt action hunting rifle I loose my Card Carrying Membership to LRH?
Im saddened !
Then why in the heck did we start this thread. ?

 

[WildRose]

Like more speed?

Growing up and having hunted extensively on the high plains I can tell you this. Speed out to 400yds makes a big difference until you're shooting into a stiff crosswind, then you just "miss faster".

One way or another we gotta learn to read the wind. High BC's will help but if you have a really bad wind call the best BC's or the fastest bullets won't save you.

This I say as a lifelong 17 Rem, 220 Swift, and since they hit the market .204 shooter.

High BC's are like, bigger, heavier bullets, they help make up for small errors but the shooter still has to do their part to achieve success.

I will say though that running 136gr Peregrines at 3400fps through the 6.5LRM sure has made for some interesting shooting even in horrible crosswinds.