Disappointed in non-resident hunters

[rockwind]

if we as hunters and OUTDOORSMEN honestly want to preserve the land for the future, the cattle, horses, and water sucking pivots have to go.

 

[CoachChris]

Illegal warming fires keep turning into wildfires

Bridger-Teton National Forest firefighters suppressed five small wildfires — all likely started by illegal hunter campfires — in the 48-hour period following the opening weekend of rifle elk season.

www.jhnewsandguide.com

 

[GonzoK34]

Idiocy doesn't have a particular zip code, and their are non resident hunters who do have etiquette and are very thankful to hunt in the one of the premier states. I live in a small town between Seattle and Portland and I don't agree with anyone who would broad brush stereotype me as an non resident without etiquette because of where I live and work. The campfire thing is either ignorance or idiocy. Had a drunk driver not t boned me last week I would've been leaving on my first out of state trip to Idaho, something I've looked forward to my whole life, and my etiquette would have gone with me.

Well stated. Thank You

 

[.300 Dakota]

Visiting Kansas last year, I saw multiple fires being battled along the highway right of way due to people throwing cigarette butts out the window not far from where I hunted. My guide was careful to turn the engine off when we went off road to avoid the exhaust starting a fire. Guys, I'm from MS here in the soggy South, and you couldn't have PAID me enough money or given me a free hunt to have started a fire or even pulled over on a grassy shoulder to check maps and keep communication signal (which I did numerous times, but always in a dirt or paved inlet man made for entrance). Not only that, but I am now very much more conscious of pulling my vehicle off road in my own state.

As for others, my guide in NW Nevada back in 2014 told me that CA guys were the WORST at feeling entitled to do whatever they wanted. I don't have any first-hand experience with them and not planning on getting any. I will never set foot in the People's Republic of Pelosi unless they incarcerate me there for gun ownership here in a few years.

 

[StumpGrinder]

Just returned from a deer hunt in WY area 82 and I must say that as a resident who's hunted this area for the past 19+ years I left completely disappointed.
I saw numerous camps of CA, ID and UT hunters with open fires in camp while we have stage 2 fire restrictions in place. You can't even smoke outside of a vehicle during stage 2 restrictions. The state has signs everywhere stating NO FIRE, FIRE BAN ect and its virtually impossible they didn't know.
I also had both WY resident hunters (really disappointed) and UT hunters stop 50 yards away from me on two different occasions while I was glassing a small 20 acre BLM piece of ground and start hunting it - no etiquette. The WY guys deserve a good beating and the non-residents should just stay away...hunt you own state.

This is not a new thing and it doesn't matter what state your from. It is more about city folk who didn't grow up hunting didn't learn hunter ethics and etiquette from grandpa, dad and uncles. 40 some odd years ago when I first started hunting it was a family affair and if you didn't follow the rules you didn't get to go for awhile. We were bird hunting public land in central Kansas we had a covey of quail pointed, 2 dogs locked up purty. We couldn't flush because we had some other hunters walking in on us so we Gillard hey, we got some birds down here. We expected them to back off out of the way. Instead they said thanks and kept right on coming. They walked right in on our dogs, flushed our birds and hunted them out of sight. We looked at each other in disbelief at what had just happened. I guess they thought we were doing a public service for them by pointing out the birds. My dad being the senior man in the group said boy's lets get gathered up and go, who knows what them idiots will shoot at! We were near Wichita and can only assume they were city folks that didn't know any better. That is partly the fault of hunter education, questions like that should be on the test and if students can't answer questions on ethics and etiquette the shouldn't pass the course!!! I know hunter numbers are dwindling but that's no excuse to let every idiot pass the course first time just to boost numbers. You got to train THEM to be good hunters and outdoorsman. Heck throw some questions in there about good citizenship to. Obviously their families aren't teaching them these things!!!

 

[lyle2231]

And that is why I gave up hunting it got scary out there . It isn't much better with the predator hunting any more people that have no respect for the others and will lie , cheat and steal from you trying to keep you from hunting . let me blow your candle out and maybe mine will shine brighter kind of deal !

That is why what I hunt flys and lands in the water.

 

[RidgeTine]

We can all do better, be a mench.

A few years a go a buddy and I drew a non-resident Wyoming bow elk tag. Scouting around our hunting area we saw a lot of pallets and stumps off the side of trails. Obviously a little shooting gallery setup. No big deal until we realized there must be an opening day for shooting pallets.

We were still hunting some lodgepole pines when bullets started whizzing into the sidehill we were hunting! Not a couple rounds. A **** load! We were running back through the woods diving for heavy cover! We were lucky to make it back to the truck unscathed.

We checked out the spot where the rounds had to have come from and sure enough, pallets, stumps, bottles, and a pile of spent 9mm and 223 rounds off the end of a ridge. The nearest back stop was 400 yards across the valley on the sidehill we were hunting.

Be sure of your target and beyond. Why is common sense not so common?

 

[desertmuley]

Well let me tell you, here in Tucson the non-resident hunting has become intense. The sidexsides running rampant in our deserts, the bullets and arrows soaring by, and just the obscene herds of people obsessing over the notorious "grey ghost" or " desert mule dear". They come, they camp, they leave mountains full of trash without any knowledge of true conservation. Not to pin point the non-residents in general, but the increase of desert pollution has sky rocketed in the last few years.

 

[5gauss]

Just returned from a deer hunt in WY area 82 and I must say that as a resident who's hunted this area for the past 19+ years I left completely disappointed.
I saw numerous camps of CA, ID and UT hunters with open fires in camp while we have stage 2 fire restrictions in place. You can't even smoke outside of a vehicle during stage 2 restrictions. The state has signs everywhere stating NO FIRE, FIRE BAN ect and its virtually impossible they didn't know.
I also had both WY resident hunters (really disappointed) and UT hunters stop 50 yards away from me on two different occasions while I was glassing a small 20 acre BLM piece of ground and start hunting it - no etiquette. The WY guys deserve a good beating and the non-residents should just stay away...hunt you own state.

we have taken pictures of license plates/vehicles in camps and turned them in to State Police who patrol hunting lands and they (the police), have acted on our reports and then reported back to us the result. It works.....

 

[travisch]

going to politely disagree about ranchers protecting the land, or even wildlife. I am die hard conservative and lots of family are farmers and ranchers in Neb. but having cattle in the dry western states is an environmental catastrophe,, I've been watching it happen for decades. I would rather have the non-residents throw beer cans around than have the cows. they are turning the ecosystem into a dustbowl as they walk miles a day looking for a bit of grass. probably do more damage than the wild horses. and then the alfalfa farmers sucking the ground water dry, wasting water by running their pivots when they shouldn't be,,,lowering the water table, all the springs are drying up in the mountains because of it, so now the native animals can't get any water,, not to mention what the cows and wild horses do to the still flowing springs. they wont' let any other animals in to drink and stomp the springs into mudholes or even stomp them into not flowing anymore. I am sure everyone on here can agree the wild horses are doing tremendous damage but very few can admit the cattle do even more damage. i know one local mountain that used to be nice to hunt on but the cows have turned every sqare inch of it into powdery dust,, can't even walk around anymore. sorry for the reality check guys. I am curious if anyone can agree with me? open your eyes and mind and contemplate before responding.

Topic off point. This was about idiots and not ranching.
I hate listening to cows bellow when I'm in elk country but I disagree. The forest service and BLM do a pretty good job out west (WY at-least) when it comes to ensuring ranchers are managing the resources. The cattle and sheep manage the grass and invasive plants keeping them in check which used to be done by the vast herds of buffalo, elk and deer. When properly managed the ecosystem is much healthier. Because of the cattle there are water holes created everywhere where there wouldn't normally be water. They are mud holes sometimes but deer, elk and antelope use them frequently.
I do agree that irrigation of alfalfa and especially corn above 4000 ft is downright stupid.

Back on topic....The idiot WY resident that parked on top of me was the mayor of Rawlins WY - Steve Nicholson and his son. They have a ranch nearby so maybe they assume everyone in the area is a non-resident and they think they own it. Or he is just an idiot - who knows.

 

[.300 Dakota]

This is not a new thing and it doesn't matter what state your from. It is more about city folk who didn't grow up hunting didn't learn hunter ethics and etiquette from grandpa, dad and uncles. 40 some odd years ago when I first started hunting it was a family affair and if you didn't follow the rules you didn't get to go for awhile. We were bird hunting public land in central Kansas we had a covey of quail pointed, 2 dogs locked up purty. We couldn't flush because we had some other hunters walking in on us so we Gillard hey, we got some birds down here. We expected them to back off out of the way. Instead they said thanks and kept right on coming. They walked right in on our dogs, flushed our birds and hunted them out of sight. We looked at each other in disbelief at what had just happened. I guess they thought we were doing a public service for them by pointing out the birds. My dad being the senior man in the group said boy's lets get gathered up and go, who knows what them idiots will shoot at! We were near Wichita and can only assume they were city folks that didn't know any better. That is partly the fault of hunter education, questions like that should be on the test and if students can't answer questions on ethics and etiquette the shouldn't pass the course!!! I know hunter numbers are dwindling but that's no excuse to let every idiot pass the course first time just to boost numbers. You got to train THEM to be good hunters and outdoorsman. Heck throw some questions in there about good citizenship to. Obviously their families aren't teaching them these things!!!

It's part of Hunter safety for the simple reason that some folks will shoot your butt over something like this! You let them cross the wrong one and there will be bloodshed in this day and age!

As bad as I hate to say it, this is the reason I only hunt on private land, which costs a fortune! I don't have the funds to do it anymore, so the hunts are very few and far between. Public shooting ranges are a nightmare. I can imagine what the hunts are like.

 

[milo-2]

There has always been the 10%. 10 percent of any given group will be some kind of jack-wagon. 10 percent will be above and beyond shirt off their back anything to help you great people. Then the 80% that follow the rules and just mind their business. The Jack-wagon 10% are the ones that are sooo easy to notice and remember. It has always been this way, and I'm afraid it always will be. Enjoy and appreciate the other 90%.

Not sure where or when to 10% came about, but it is Dated, LOL In any facet of life, including hunting or fishing.
Plus, no age bracket has a monopoly on the pct points. We have became an entitled society.

 

[.300 Dakota]

This is the ammunition that will be used to end all hunting. You know the cliche, "It only takes 1 bad apple to ruin it for everybody." And we all know in today's political/politically correct world, that is the exact truth.

 

[SSG Graybush]

Just returned from a deer hunt in WY area 82 and I must say that as a resident who's hunted this area for the past 19+ years I left completely disappointed.
I saw numerous camps of CA, ID and UT hunters with open fires in camp while we have stage 2 fire restrictions in place. You can't even smoke outside of a vehicle during stage 2 restrictions. The state has signs everywhere stating NO FIRE, FIRE BAN ect and its virtually impossible they didn't know.
I also had both WY resident hunters (really disappointed) and UT hunters stop 50 yards away from me on two different occasions while I was glassing a small 20 acre BLM piece of ground and start hunting it - no etiquette. The WY guys deserve a good beating and the non-residents should just stay away...hunt you own state.

Well we're going to a stage 1 area and plan on following restrictions, building a enclosed stove with 1/4 inch spark arrestor mesh per reg. As far as stay away from your state, I dont think so. You have a ton of blm land for all Americans to enjoy