How much trouble going from MoA to MILS?

[highdrum]

The best part of mils, there's a quick wind formula. Most my rifles are 8-9 mph guns, meaning it takes an 8mph 90° wind to blow my bullet of course approx 0.3 mil at 300y, 0.5 mil at 500y and 0.8 mil at 800y, so knowing that I can use a % value for wind holds. I just need know distance to target, wind speed and direction related to line of fire. Makes for easy wind calls, no chart needed all done in the head quickly.

 

[dfanonymous]

The best part of mils, there's a quick wind formula. Most my rifles are 8-9 mph guns, meaning it takes an 8mph 90° wind to blow my bullet of course approx 0.3 mil at 300y, 0.5 mil at 500y and 0.8 mil at 800y, so knowing that I can use a % value for wind holds. I just need know distance to target, wind speed and direction related to line of fire. Makes for easy wind calls, no chart needed all done in the head quickly.

Whoa whoa!! Don't go talking about all that logic around here bud. Nobody wants to learn all that useful stuff.
Edit: you can do quick wind in moa as well, it just works out a little easier in mils.

 

[User4302021]

I never said anything about moa or Mils being better. Maybe I should have stated that it would take more clicks on a moa scope to dial to your shooting solution. Maybe I shouldn't have voiced my opinion that if you know your equipment and it works for you then It doesn't matter. There is always going to be somebody argue both ways. If there was ONE great solution for everything there would only be ONE Scope Sold And this thread wouldn't even be here.

I wasn't commenting on MILS being superior. I was pointing out that MOA is technically finer, but that the difference is so small as to be inconsequential. Yet, that doesn't seem to register with those who love to trot that out as a reason for sticking with MOA.

Another thing, MOA reticles don't have markings less than 1 MOA, most don't go finer than 2 MOA. So all that talk about being finer goes out the window when you have to actually use the reticle anyway.

 

[User4302021]

The best part of mils, there's a quick wind formula. Most my rifles are 8-9 mph guns, meaning it takes an 8mph 90° wind to blow my bullet of course approx 0.3 mil at 300y, 0.5 mil at 500y and 0.8 mil at 800y, so knowing that I can use a % value for wind holds. I just need know distance to target, wind speed and direction related to line of fire. Makes for easy wind calls, no chart needed all done in the head quickly.

We don't talk about wind on LRH. Your input is not appreciated!!

 

[ksshooter]

I wasn't commenting on MILS being superior. I was pointing out that MOA is technically finer, but that the difference is so small as to be inconsequential. Yet, that doesn't seem to register with those who love to trot that out as a reason for sticking with MOA.

Another thing, MOA reticles don't have markings less than 1 MOA, most don't go finer than 2 MOA. So all that talk about being finer goes out the window when you have to actually use the reticle anyway.

Not gonna argue with that. All of my scopes have 1moa markings. The way I look at it. If you are going to split the gap and you can't hold so that impact point is halfway or a third or quarter of the way between marks it's too far to ethically shoot a critter.

 

[Brad7348]

Nothing to do with metrics or imperial despite the ignorant beliefs out there. It's been said already, think in the angles. Moa is moa, mils are mils, and has nothing to do with mm, cm, inch, yards or meters. While a base 10 system exist, it doe nothing for the practical shooter and if you find some odd reason to need that 10 base system, you to use linear math, both systems work in such.

It will help you immensely in growth as shooter to let go of the imperial vs metric.

I think the imperial vs metric question/comment pops up because people connect milli- liters, meters etc with metric. So Milliradian sounds metric to them. Milli is just a reference to 1/1000 of a unit of measure, in this case an angle measured in radians. The other more valid reason people connect Mil to metric (I recently learned this) is that where 1 MOA is roughly 1" at 100yards, 1Mil is roughly 10cm at 100meters. So 1 click is 1cm/100M. Its not because Mils are metric though, I believe it is just a mathematical coincidence. Radians are a SI unit of measure.

 

[MTbackwoods]

Search my thread on this site. "MRAD vs MOA. Which one?" That discussion drew a fair amount of attention and if you sift through the bs and the arguing, there is some good info

 

[Plinker147]

The biggest advantage to Mils is speed. It's faster and easier to compute without ballistic programs. All sniper/ military train with mil system for a reason, It's fast and easier. PRS style matches most are shooting mils.

It's not hard to switch but it is best to stick with one system

 

[Brad7348]

Another interesting factoid. There is no geometric reason that a circle should have 360 degrees of angular measure. It was totally made up based on the number of days in a year. So the ancient Babylonians, decided that a circle should contain 360 degrees. In one degree there are 60 minutes (though they have the same name, one minute-angle is not the same as one minute-time).

Contrary to this, A radian is a geometric and mathematical relationship based on the length of the radius of a circle. One Radian is a unit of angle, equal to an angle at the center of a circle whose arc is equal in length to the radius. There are 6.28 radians in a complete circle which is equal to 2Pi. the length around the circle is equal to the number of radians times the radius. 2piR or PiD. So mathematically MRAD makes way more sense.

That being said, I'm still an MOA guy.

 

[BHP9]

IMHO it just boils down to math.

 

[Stevenstl86]

I tried to switch but I kept measuring everything in yards. In my mid 30's now I can be pretty close guessing yardage with a rifle and bow so I stuck with MOA.

 

[brentc]

The best part of mils, there's a quick wind formula. Most my rifles are 8-9 mph guns, meaning it takes an 8mph 90° wind to blow my bullet of course approx 0.3 mil at 300y, 0.5 mil at 500y and 0.8 mil at 800y, so knowing that I can use a % value for wind holds. I just need know distance to target, wind speed and direction related to line of fire. Makes for easy wind calls, no chart needed all done in the head quickly.

Ohhh... Now you're just blowing minds!

I absolutely agree. This my favorite feature of Mils. The BC method for wind holds is as smooth as butter.

 

[Flintlock shooter]

Basically it's just numbers...what ever number your solver gives you put on your scope.

 

[XSIVSPD]

Another thing, MOA reticles don't have markings less than 1 MOA, most don't go finer than 2 MOA. So all that talk about being finer goes out the window when you have to actually use the reticle anyway.

Just an FYI, vortex ebr reticles do. Also, the human brain is very good at determining the center of open spaces ie: it's very easy to determine 0.5 moa from a 1 moa space