I do not have Litz's expertise but I will say, watch a few high speed camera videos of a rifle barrel during firing and draw your own conclusions.I'll tell you even if you start doing 10 round groups the lines of what is "better" really start to blur.
I recall it was more along the lines of the tuner had no effect on group size
I have no dog in this fight! Use what works for you! But if you stake a claim on statistics or physics make sure your statement is correct!
Like I said a few times, do what works for you!
I do not have Litz's expertise but I will say, watch a few high speed camera videos of a rifle barrel during firing and draw your own conclusions.
When the first commercial tuner came out, the BOSS was designed to tune factory ammo to your rifle. It came with recommendations. I tried it on several calibers and it works. It's physics! It works for ME! That's all I care! If it doesn't work for you, your decision. Physics don't change because I or you say so!
Please enlighten me where may I see the two scientific tests.Maybe you should heed your own advice here.
The 2 scientific tests done show a tuner has no effect on dispersion. (group size). It's more likely you are fooling yourself with small sample size and have created a very strong confirmation bias.
I actually did just pick up a tuner to test out but I am skeptical to say the least.
Harmonics are real that is scientific fact, it's not up for discussion. It is however unproven whether or not that has any meaningful affect on dispersion.Please enlighten me where may I see the two scientific tests.
Harmonics are real. Look at the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse.
Or take a "harmonic balancer from one engine, put it on another, run it for a while! I learned that the hard way when I was a kid
Harmonics are real that is scientific fact, it's not up for discussion. It is however unproven whether or not that has any meaningful affect on dispersion.
Here's the Hornady one.
Litz's test with AB is behind a pay wall, or you can buy the book "Modern Advancements in Long Range Shooting Vol. III"
#55 - Barrel Tuner Testing - The Science of Accuracy
Barrel Tuner Testing-do they or don't they work? Listen in as Bryan and the Applied Ballistics team discuss the rigorous testing and results.thescienceofaccuracy.com
The old adage, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.Two people who have something to sell! Thank you! Pass! I have 10 rifles each in a different caliber! Like I said, works for me.
Another so "scientific" thing, a competitive shooter, many of you follow, did a study when Browning had the patent. Said they didn't work. Now, he sells his version, all of a sudden they work!
Hornady is an infomercial! My opinion only
How many rifles do you have with a tuner? I have 10! 22-250 to 338WM. I did my own research!The old adage, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Neither test is trying to sell you anything...
What does owning 10 tuners prove?How many rifles do you have with a tuner? I have 10! 22-250 to 338WM. I did my own research!
Hornady has nothing to sell! News to me!
Unless there is something new and real, I am out!
Use what works for you!
It proves I tried it and it works for me! It proves you read and repeat what you read!What does owning 10 tuners prove?
That podcast and test is not trying to sell any products, maybe you need to work on reading comprehension as well.
There is nothing really new about the scientific method.
Pretty much sums up this whole threadThe old adage, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Neither test is trying to sell you anything...
I guess infomercials trumps experience! You stick to your infomercials, I stick to my experience!Pretty much sums up this whole thread
Yes. And atips. Accuracy can be tuned with bullet seating depth, powder charge and/or a tuner. It's been common knowledge since I started in the early 90's. I don't know why Hornady is trying to convince otherwise other than maybe they are struggling with accuracy and just trying to convince this is normal
I guess infomercials trumps experience! You stick to your infomercials, I stick to my experience!
It's most definitely a brand building tool, DUH.It's easier to sell reloading components and equipments when a customer is lead to believe it's as easy as they say it is. If you think the educational podcasts by hornady are anything but another sales pitch, brand building tool, etc. you are very mistaken.