Boone & Crockett Stance on LRH

[HARPERC]

At the same time I do get what the are trying to say regarding some idiot trying to shoot game at x distance to try and hit it on a whim.

Every method has it losers. To single out LRH with inflammatory pictures that misrepresent the issue, and no effort to find an opposing view is divisive and injures the entire sport. I don't agree that is what they are trying to say at all.

Quite frankly I think BC is trying to remain relevant in a market full of other clubs cutting into the donations. What has BC done for me lately? Where is todays Teddy Roosevelt? Why so silent on wolves etc.

I was at Cabelas last night, and was fully prepared to decline the offer to "Round Up" the change to donate. Looked at the list and did not see BC present.

They say it's about intent-what is the intent of hunting with a Model 94, Buckhorn sights, a full magazine, in 30-30? It sounds to me like the intent is to miss a lot or hit poorly, and be under gunned. What's the intent of AR style guns?

Truly, I pulled both of those from my behind, to make the point we should not allow another method of participating in this sport without challenging it. I don't own either of the rifles mentioned. but when the "Black Guns" start taking flack I support them.

Only the individual on the trigger can determine intent at the time.

 

[Unofficial Gun Addict (UGA)]

Time to break out the loincloth and flint knapped spear.............oh wait, spear is long range. Make it a knapped knife.
What a stupid thing for them to publish. Talk about dividing the ranks.


Randy
(I'm currently looking for my camo loincloth---would that be an unfair advantage?)

Lol. Amen brother. That's exactly what I was thinking. The real issue is that while hunting is great and I love the outdoors, I want to come home with meat at the end of it all. There is more pressure on the animals as more hunters are in the field, at least here in Idaho. The number of people pursuing tags has doubled in many areas over the last 10 years and the open hunts can be downright ridiculous. Last year we scouted for a month... Picked our spot... Got there about 2 hours before light, way up on top of a mountain, and 8 other people showed up. One guy got ****ed because we were there first and he was yelling and carrying on when we told him where we were setting up... He basically just told us that he and his group were going to hunt there. I thought it might actually end up coming to blows but my compatriots and I kept our cool and just started towards our location. In the meantime, 3 big bucks took off over the ridge and we're long gone due to the other groups noise. The whole day was like being at Disneyland and I'll never do that again.

Pressure on animals and idiots out there make the animals more wary and alert, pushes them back into difficult terrain, which means that sometimes, a long shot is all you are ever gonna get, unless you end up lucky. We have tried to setup where low altitude hunters will push the bucks up to us, but it's totally dependent on whether the other hunters park 100 yards back, or 100 yards forward as to where to animals are going to go. All the prep work is great, but it is all hunting and some companies notion about what is fair and what isn't doesn't feed my family at the end of the day.... I do. That's why this year, I've been working on my loads and skills so that I can reach out to 600 yards. I'm tired of passing on game because I lack the necessary skill and knowledge about my gun to make a good accurate clean kill at distance... And both deer and elk run a hell of a lot faster than me, so if I can take a good shot at 500 to 600 yards, well you better believe I'm not going to give one iota of a sh!t about what B&C thinks is fairplay when it comes to hunting. My job is to put the game down cleanly and do my part as a hunter to make sure I retrieve my animal.

If they want to come out and chuck spears, hey... The more power to them. In the meantime, I'm not going to loose any sleep about the ethics of long range hunting. As hunters, we have to adapt to our environment, and long range hunting has a place in it, more and more.

 

[Unofficial Gun Addict (UGA)]

Just as an example. The place I drew this year had over 1700 applicants and 375 drew. In 1998, there were 577 applicants and 500 drew. Where do all those hunters go that didn't draw... general hunts. Talk about serious over pressure for game.

Long distance is just a part of the new paradigm. B&C are gonna have to get out of the past or they are going to go the way of the dinosaur.

 

[cowboy]

Anyone have a link to the B&C Facebook page. I'm not very facebook savvy but can't find in on any search sites.

 

[FEENIX]

Anyone have a link to the B&C Facebook page. I'm not very facebook savvy but can't find in on any search sites.

https://www.facebook.com/BooneAndCrockettClub?ref=br_tf

 

[Lefty7mmstw]

Well, they don't have the rockets on their front page any longer, but they are promoting their position statement. I have to say they are day late and a dollar short on this though as most of us will get closer if possible. A higher percentage shot is just that.

 

[MMERSS]

B&Cs statement on their Facebook page. 'There's a significant difference between hunting for and locating your quarry, assessing your stalking options, getting as close as the situation will allow, and committing to a shot you've practiced and are confident in making, versus going out specifically to position yourself for a max-distance shot, maybe one longer than the time before for a new personal record."

Replace max with min and longer with shorter. "versus going out specifically to position yourself for a min-distance shot, maybe one shorter than the time before for a new personal record."

Would B&C frown on this also as not hunting? What is the difference if both "max and min" are hunted allowing for a successful harvest? Min range, Max range, personal best (such as a ranking system of horn and antler size) what are the relationships and similarities?

What is B&C doing and what are they trying to accomplish?

 

[cowboy]

What is B&C doing and what are they trying to accomplish?

$$$$$$$$.$$

Their facebook page has had more hits and comments in the last 2 days then they
have had in the last 2 months. It is an emotional statement that will create a lot of discussion.

Don't be surprised if you see more state legislation proposed for caliber size, rifle weight restrictions etc. in the near future because of this very type of thinking.

 

[Pdvdh]

Sounds like a cluster on the part of the B&C Club. They released this before they had sorted out the consequences. Who are, currently, the B&C Club. Which individuals, by name, subscribe to this statement? Is is 10 guys sitting around a table reaching agreement amongst themselves? 2 guys?

Did their membership vote on this position statement?

They will reap some negative consequences for appearing anti-long range hunting. And gain nothing positive.

 

[MMERSS]

This reminds me of the days in Montana where the highways were governed by the Reasonable and Prudent law. You could drive at any speed as long as it was determined reasonable and prudent. Now let's throw in intent. My intent is to drive faster on the highway today as opposed to yesterday, but still within reason and being prudent. Am I now a speeder because my intent was to drive faster than I have before even though I'm still driving reasonable and prudent?

B&C is starting to sound with the same theme. The theme sounds something like this. We won't place a range associated with long range, just like reasonable and prudent, but if your intent is to drive faster than you did yesterday even though you are still driving reasonable and prudent. that's "speed bragging" and your reasonable and prudent actions do not look good for the rest of us reasonable and prudent drivers.

 

[Warbird782]

Per the B&C statement:The Club finds that long-range shooting takes unfair advantage of the game animal, effectively eliminates the natural capacity of an animal to use its senses and instincts to detect danger,

I like this one. I asked if that would include the use of Ozonics which takes an animals sense of smell out of the equation making it harder for it to detect danger. How about cover scents? How about blinds and camo which takes away their ability to see danger. This list goes on and on.

I have never had an animal scored nor do I care to. My trophies do not need to meet their minimums to be trophies.

 

[jrsolocam]

Agree with Warbird. They see, hear and smell so much better...In my experience it is very difficult to take a trophy animal no matter where you hunt or how you hunt. I chose to LRH because I was finding so many bucks at 600+ that I couldn't put the sneak on and had to wave good bye to them. Other hunters have their reasons why they LRH, it's not my business. Hopefully we all do our homework and shoot alot, and I'm sure that members of this forum do.

To be honest, a serious LRH taking a shot at 800 yards is more ethical than a "shoot my gun once a year hunter" taking a shot at 250 yards.

 

[el si]

Anti hunting is anti hunting. There is no middle ground. You are either for hunting or you are against it. There is no cherry picking of what types of hunting are or are not acceptable. This kind of balkanization is only helping the anti hunting crowd.

So B&C is now the self-appointed authority on hunting? Stick it to them Broz. And thanks again for being my spotter that one time.

 

[caleb7mm]

To be honest, a serious LRH taking a shot at 800 yards is more ethical than a "shoot my gun once a year hunter" taking a shot at 250 yards.

agree 100%