Virginia Tech

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by highlanderll, Apr 16, 2007.

  1. highlanderll

    highlanderll Active Member

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    We all should pray, after today!

    How F$%^&*g stupid do you have to be, to do something like this!?

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  2. winmagman

    winmagman Well-Known Member

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    We all should pray, after today

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    +1 on that

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    How F$%^&*g stupid do you have to be, to do something like this!?



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    Sadly, about as stupid as you have to be to blame it on the gun, but it WILL happen.

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  3. wildcat

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    My question is, why did the college allow students to go to class after there was already a double homocide on the campus. The school should have been shut down, PERIOD!!!! The president and police chief, of VT, can spin all they want, but they made a BIG mistake, they should both be fired.

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  4. Slopeshunter

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    The school should have been shut down, PERIOD!!!!

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    That was my thought exactly.
     
  5. Agunner012

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    The school should have been shut down, PERIOD!!!!

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    That was my thought exactly.

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    Exactly, a major mistake gave way to a major tragedy. Prayers sent.
    Another major gun rights battle for the NRA, and gun enthusiasts is brewing. More guns in the hands of law abiding citizens could have greatly reduced the loss of lives in this situation, perhaps an armed professor could have put a quick end to the nightmare. Unfortunately the anti-gunners will never admit to it.
     
  6. Spino

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    McCall,

    Thanks for the post. This is a delicate matter/topic right now. We should pray for all families & friends that this will affect. Just think of how many lives this will affect. Prayers should be for the families first and then that this type of tragedy will come to an end somehow/someway... I've thought about this all day. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif I know this guy will rot in hell!
     
  7. highlanderll

    highlanderll Active Member

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    This stuff just drives me up a wall, I have a good friend from college that is or was doing his Masters their I have e-mailed him, but have not recieved a responce yet.

    Brian
     
  8. Quick Karl

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    <font color="blue">What happened today – the inaction between the first shooting early, and the massacre latter, is what happens when poindexter bureaucrats think their degrees and their bullshit socialist philosophies are equal to basic common sense.

    Furthermore, one bald-headed sandal wearing bearded leftist sissy with a pair of balls and a baseball bat could have stood beside the door that the shooter was trying to enter and smashed his brains out with one swing as he entered – but we all know the eunuch nuts that are ‘re-engineering’ our society right before our eyes would never have the guts to do anything but cower under a desk and wait to be executed.

    It boils my blood that our society is so prepared to meekly accept all of this. I feel so sorry for the poor kids that are gone or wounded, and their families.
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  9. LRHWAL

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    "More guns in the hands of law abiding citizens could have greatly reduced the loss of lives in this situation, perhaps an armed professor could have put a quick end to the nightmare."

    That was my response - and is my response here in South Africa to many armed attacks.

    It remains a terrible tragedy and our thoughts and prayers are with all affected.
     
  10. Agunner012

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    "More guns in the hands of law abiding citizens could have greatly reduced the loss of lives in this situation, perhaps an armed professor could have put a quick end to the nightmare."

    That was my response - and is my response here in South Africa to many armed attacks.

    It remains a terrible tragedy and our thoughts and prayers are with all affected.

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    +1 I guess we share the same views. May they rest in peace.
     
  11. Mule

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    Sad to say, nothing was learned by the donut eaters in blue after Columbine. It is a disgrace to see the same group of folks hiding behind trees while people are dying.

    VA had a debate not too long ago and the idiots ruled the day about "not allowing guns" on campus even for concealed carry permit holders.

    Sometimes I wish "guns" did kill people so at least we could train an "attack gun" to run into the building and take out the "criminal gun".

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  12. Dave King

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    Lots of possibilities for discussion:

    Why did this person kill the folks?

    How did he get the gun on campus?

    What was the reason for the apparent lack of action after the first shooting, "the two hour warning"?

    Why did the students apparently non-aggressively await their fate?

    Were the handguns (assumed to be the weapons based on reports) just a handy instrument for this event... If this person had had easy access to explosives would that have been used instead??

    Why aren't Concealed Carry Weapon (CCW) permit holders allowed to carry their personal firearm on campus?

    If these CCW holders had been allowed to carry would one or more of them acted to stop this event??

    Why don't the police act more quickly??

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    Why did this person kill the folks?

    Who knows what goes on inside someone else’s head; maybe the fella just had it in for a couple of the folks (the dorm shooting as I understand) and then decided to go whole-hog. Maybe it was a terrorist (I doubt that scenario). Maybe he was just a nut-case and happened to like the look of the campus??


    How did he get the gun on campus?

    I’m sure this will come up… If there are restrictions on carrying a gun on campus surely he slipped past security or security was too lax… I say this tongue-in-cheek but someone will surely seriously want to know how it is possible…and what the school (government) is going to do to stop this in the future… (The “let someone else watch out for us” model.)


    What was the reason for the apparent lack of action after the first shooting, "the two hour warning"?

    I wonder about this… Maybe they thought it was nothing, were the school officials sure there had been a shooting (fatalities) or were they just informed of odd noises??? Did they (whomever) investigate? Were they (the officials) even aware of the first event??

    Why did the students apparently non-aggressively await their fate?

    This is a hot topic for me… They awaited their fate because they were trained to wait… We (the good old U. S. of A. teaching society) have trained folks to be non-aggressive. Don’t start a fight or you’ll be expelled. Don’t defend yourself or you’ll be expelled. Don’t talk mean or you’ll be expelled. Etc, etc, etc.

    This event was a like rabid wolf in a sheep pen and there were no sheep dogs (armed officials) or other wolves (CCW holders allowed to carry, a big guy with a knife, a ball bat) there to offer resistance.


    Were the handguns (assumed to be the weapons based on reports) just a handy instrument for this event... If this person had had easy access to explosives would that have been used instead??

    If we lived in a place (Iraq for example) where explosives were easy to obtain would this fella have used them, perhaps a suicide vest? The gun was not the problem as I see it, it was just the handiest instrument of sufficient lethality.


    Why aren't Concealed Carry Weapon (CCW) permit holders allowed to carry their personal firearm on campus?

    I believe there are many reasons to doubt the wisdom of carry on campus.
    What if a CCW person goes berserk?
    What if a CCW person drops their weapon (happens sometimes)?
    Would it upset other students to know that some students may be armed?

    I believe much of our society has succumbed to the vilification of firearms campaign that has been waged for many years… Guns are bad, people that carry guns are bad, people that like guns are not to be trusted, there is no practical use for a gun, etc.

    Folks in our society are not about accepting responsibility or leaving it where it belongs, they’re about laying blame. Someone will say "I was injured because the school allowed dangerous equipment on campus" so fire the campus police and president… Example: Metal bats are now being banned because the ball goes too fast when struck with one, sue the school and ban the bats are the answers.

    School administration I feel would certainly feel their time on the job would be short if they ever allowed CCW folks to carry on campus. If there were an accident (dropped firearm), firearm visible to a sensitive individual, firearm left in the restroom the first thing to happen would be a new administration… In my opinion it’s self preservation on their part but even then something else will arise to bit them in the ass.

    The number one reason CCW folks are not allowed to carry (as I see it). A great segment of our society believes that anyone that carries, touches or knows anything about firearms is not stable. This segment of society believes there is something fundamentally wrong with anyone that uses or condones firearms…they see law abiding firearms owners as “nut cases”.


    If these CCW holders had been allowed to carry would one or more of them acted to stop this event??

    I believe there is a possibility that there would have been a significant delay in action against the aggressor but that eventually he would have been confronted and possibly neutralized (killed/wounded). I believe many folks with a CCW have it for the “Cool factor” but there is also a segment that has it for the protection factor. I also believe that if a CCW holder (or multiple) had returned fire there would have been collateral damage and how would that have been dealt with???


    Why don't the police act more quickly??

    I believe the police do their job well but they are restrained (and taught restraint) by society and the repercussions of previous actions. They must await evaluation of the situation, they’re not the “old west” Marshall that rolls into the saloon and blasts the bad guy. They require situation reports and identification of the “perp”, heaven forbid if they’d incorrectly shoot an armed friendly or a hostage. I believe they live with the realization that they could save the day and ruin the rest of their life to the second guessers.
     
  13. Coyboy

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    I was questioning why the police hid behind there cars and trees some 50+ yards from the school.

    Two trained officers, skilled with pistol/shotgun combat techniques should have been able to find and stop the shooter realativly easy. Listen to the gun fire, follow it to the source, eliminate the source with the element of suprise.

    Unfortunatly agencys hire coledge degrees from any major including sociology and phsycology. Previous military service means very little with many of our nations police departments. Which is a sad trend, It's easy to stand behind a tree. It's hard to enter a building with an armed suspect inside slaughtering the civilians you were hired to serve and protect.

    But damit thats there job, they get paid to do it, grow some nuts and do what you were trained to do.

    Locally yesterday a man killed his 2 children and himself. He called the Marshfield PD told them what he was going to do. (messy divorce situation) The PD responded by evacuatining the neighbors, closing the streets, setting up a communication post. All the while not noticing the 3 gun shots from the house. 2 hours later after repeated attempts at contact they entered the house to find all three dead.
    Stupid sons of B%$#*^^. Lives could have been saved but that seems no longer important in todays society.
     
  14. edge

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    I was questioning why the police hid behind there cars and trees some 50+ yards from the school.

    Two trained officers, skilled with pistol/shotgun combat techniques should have been able to find and stop the shooter realativly easy. Listen to the gun fire, follow it to the source, eliminate the source with the element of suprise.

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    WHAT!

    Give me a break, now it is the cops fault. Give us ALL of the facts that were known at the time the police got there, and how many shots were fired AFTER the cops got there?

    Did they know for a fact that there was ONLY one shooter?
    Did they know for a fact that he only had pistols and not rifles.

    They used cover for the same damn reason our soldiers have armoured Humvees and use cover in Iraq!

    I see ZERO wrong with the police actions.
    I see HUGE mistakes made by VT officials, but hindsight is great. How anyone would act when there life is in danger won't know until they are confronted.

    edge.