Recommendation for Springfield Armory Saint Victor AR-15 pistol compliance

[FEENIX]

My buddy from OH has one, and apparently, the BTR brace is no longer legal, so he is looking for recommendations.

Please advice. TIA

Ed

 

[cohunt]

ATF is about to put out their new "definition clarification " on braces too--- so its going to be a dance to avoid being an sbr--

Limits on lengths, no rifles scopes, etc

Go old school and Do what we used to do---- walking cane rubber tip on end of buffer tube or a slit tennis/racquet ball. Or use a strap on shoulder pad. Technically it's also "not legal" to shoulder it anyway--- all those dam youtubers messed ot up for everyone

Or if its legal in his state--- just pay the 2 bills for a tax stamp and make it an sbr

223 doesn't really have much recoil anyway.

 

[asd9055]

I don't have onem but if I did, I would wait until it is litigated all the way to the SCOTUS. In the meantime, @cohunt suggestions is the way to go. I have this

 

[cohunt]

It's expensive ($400) but dead foot arms has a conversion kit that reduces the buffer tube down to 2.5"

 

[waspocrew]

I'm not sure when it becomes "official", but it sounds like his options are:
- Destroy the firearm
- Forfeit firearm to local ATF
- Install longer barrel
- Register as SBR (apparently no tax stamp needed if during certain timeframe)

Justice Department Announces New Rule to Address Stabilizing Braces, Accessories Used to Convert Pistols into Short-Barreled Rifles

Today, the Department of Justice announced it has submitted to the Federal Register the “Stabilizing Braces” Final Rule, which makes clear that when manufacturers, dealers, and individuals use stabilizing braces to convert pistols into rifles with a barrel of less than 16 inches, commonly...

www.justice.gov

I'm wondering how this will all play out - lawsuits, etc. I have suppressors so I'm already in the system, but not sure I would want to go the SBR route with my 300 BLK AR. If this becomes final, I may just grab a 16" barrel and be done with it.

 

[cohunt]

I'm not sure when it becomes "official", but it sounds like his options are:
- Destroy the firearm
- Forfeit firearm to local ATF
- Install longer barrel
- Register as SBR (apparently no tax stamp needed if during certain timeframe)

Justice Department Announces New Rule to Address Stabilizing Braces, Accessories Used to Convert Pistols into Short-Barreled Rifles

Today, the Department of Justice announced it has submitted to the Federal Register the “Stabilizing Braces” Final Rule, which makes clear that when manufacturers, dealers, and individuals use stabilizing braces to convert pistols into rifles with a barrel of less than 16 inches, commonly...

www.justice.gov

I'm wondering how this will all play out - lawsuits, etc. I have suppressors so I'm already in the system, but not sure I would want to go the SBR route with my 300 BLK AR. If this becomes final, I may just grab a 16" barrel and be done with it.

Or just take the brace off--- duh

All of the stipulations and re-defining of pistol braced pistols into an sbr have 1 thing in common--- you have to have a pistol brace on it.

If it doesn't have a brace on ot then it's just a pistol ( like it's always been)

 

[waspocrew]

Or just take the brace off--- duh

So simple!

 

[FEENIX]

Or just take the brace off--- duh

All of the stipulations and re-defining of pistol braced pistols into an sbr have 1 thing in common--- you have to have a pistol brace on it.

If it doesn't have a brace on ot then it's just a pistol ( like it's always been)

That's what I told him, but I am looking recommendations to pass on to him.

 

[cohunt]

But keep your pistol brace at someone else's house for a few years while all this nonsense goes through the cort system.

Just like bump stocks were " redefined" back in 2019 by the atf making them illegal machine guns-- the 1st week of 2023 the court system struck down the atfs new "definition " and they are legal again.

 

[xsn10s]

I'd have to agree with cohunt. Once the "brace" was removed then it just has an exposed buffer tube. And again you could send to someone else's house as cohunt suggested or store it at separate location. It all depends on the local laws and the interpretation or intent of said laws.

 

[cohunt]

That's what I told him, but I am looking recommendations to pass on to him.

Technically--- their new ruling says "anything consistant with a rifle length of pull" is an sbr--- this is the gray area if bare buffer tubes are considered as "length of pull" it could mean all ar pistols are sbrs -- it is a "free" opportunity to form 1 sbr it for 120 days if he wants to as they are not collecting the $200 tax fee for any submission for an sbr for 120days--- but remember that any time an sbr leaves the state you live in you must file paperwork ahead of time with the atf to inform them where you are taking it--- and some states Don't allow sbr's at all -- and some don't allow then for hunting too

So do your homework first

 

[xsn10s]

If memory serves me correct some of the first AR "pistols" had no buffer tube.

 

[asd9055]

If memory serves me correct some of the first AR "pistols" had no buffer tube.

AR's require a buffer tube. Piston type like the SIG P556 do not.

 

[cohunt]

For $350-400 evolution weapons systems sells a no buffer/tube bcg adapter kit --- literally has no buffer tube - uses a proprietary dust cover and no fa

Course it's on bo right now- wonder why