Quickload

[squeezenhope]

Would someone with access to Quickload be kind enough to run a recipe for me? I would like pressure and velocity projection for a Remington .280 with 61.0 gr. of RL22, Remington 9 1/2 primer, 140 grain Nosler Accubond, 24" barrel. Nosler cases. Thanks.

 

[bigedp51]

Quickload is no better than looking in a reloading manual for "guessing" what your velocity and chamber pressure will be.

In order for Quickload to give anywhere near accurate information you need a chronograph. You then change the burn rate in Quickload until it matches your chronograph velocity reading.

I have Quickload and to be honest it is not worth what you pay for it. And there is a reason why load data varies between loading manuals. And Quickload needs to be "tuned" with a chronograph to give its projected "guesstimates".

There are many adjustments to make even without a chronograph, you need the following.
1. Case capacity in grains of H2O
2. Cartridge length
3. Case trim length

I ran Quickload with the meager information you gave with the default case capacity of 67.90 of H2O.

The chamber pressure is over max at 60167 psi
Velocity 3,045 fps

There is a saying about computers.......garbage in, garbage out

And a workup load will tell you more about "YOUR" rifle than computer generated guesses.

 

[squeezenhope]

Thank you very much Big. All I was looking for is relative pressures. Just making a comparison, as have many before, between SAAMI standards for a 30-06 and .280 at 60K and a .270 at 65K. I suppose the manual producers are stuck with the standard, but it makes no sense when using comparable bolt action or falling blocks.

 

[Clark]

I have Quickload and to be honest it is not worth what you pay for it.

I paid $600 for an SAE audio equalizer in 1974 and someone asked it was worth that much.
My younger brother was getting a degree in economics and said, "It was worth that to him, if he paid that."

What is Quickload, $160?
quickload quicktarget software

It is worth a lot more than that to me, but I only have to pay $160.

 

[bigedp51]

WARNING: QuickLOAD is a computer simulation of centerfire cartridge performance. YOU MUST NEVER just "plug in the numbers" and use QuickLOAD's output for a load recipe. That is foolish and dangerous. There are many reasons why the data QuickLOAD generates may not be safe in YOUR gun. Before loading live ammunition, you should always check with the powder-makers' most recent load data. In fact, you should check multiple sources if possible, and consult with individuals who actually load for that cartridge. Sierra Bullets offers free load maps which, in general, are fairly conservative. Even when using manufacturers' load data, start 10% low and work up. Differences in brass, primer brand, and seating depth can make huge differences in pressure. Always reload conservatively and always double- and triple-check QuickLOAD's output against reliable load data supplied by the powder-makers.


QuickLOAD Reloading Software -- User Tips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1If91Nx-QU

In the video it is stated how accurate the output is with custom barrels.

Below a bore scope photo of a custom hand lapped barrel.

Below a Savage button rifled barrel.

And a Savage button rifled barrel after fire lapping.

So how is a computer program going to know how "smooth" the bore is and its effects on velocity and chamber pressure.

I guess you can't teach old dogs new tricks, by the time I get done fiddling around with Quickload I could have loaded up a work up load and let the target tell me what it likes best.

 

[Clark]

I can see how Quickload has more value for some reloading styles over others.

I started handloading in 1999 and by 2000 I had bought Quickload. I don't have a receipt, just see my old posts on gun forums.
Now I am up to more than 65 different cartridges.
Once I verify a jug of rifle powder conforms to the constants in QL, the predictions for velocity are so good, QL prediction will be in the middle of a string of readings. I suffered through a whole 8 pound jug of H4350 that I had to tell QL I was putting in 4% less powder than I was. That is slow powder. I bought 32 pounds of 1960 Surplus bulk pull down IMR4895 that is best modeled in QL as H322 for speed and density. When I measure the grains, they are 4895, that is just fast powder. But most canister powder are blended with great accuracy. AA powder 15 year ago were more like bulk powder, I thought.

9mm handgun double load QL predictions are worthless. They are over 1,000,000 psi and 2,000 fps, and yet in reality do not even pierce the primer. QL cannot handle straight wall cartridges that make big muzzle fireballs. That is sort of explained in the QL manual. Predictions for straight wall handgun loads within the narrow range of SAAMI pressure specs are good.

The accuracy for QL is in necked rifle cartridges.
The threshold for loose primer pockets can be accurately predicted at the same pressure for 22-250 through 30-06. Anything with a Mauser case head and large Boxer primer pocket. That is most brands of brass. Norma 7x57mm rimmed is so soft it cannot take any more pressure than other brands of 7x57mm rimless. If you are into cross sectioning case heads and doing overload work ups ala 1956 Vernon Speer on how to write a load book, that is soft. Belted magnums are at least 5kpsi higher. 223 much higher still. 6mmBR does not get loose primer pockets. It gets pierced primers.

The other trick is start pressure. Rule of thumb, off the lands 2kpsi, into the lands 4kpsi.

 

[Engineering101]

I think that the best use of QuickLoad is after you have developed a good load, input the relevant data from your rifle/load into QL and have it print out a data sheet for the load. Stick that in your box of ammo so you don't forget what you did.

 

[Mikecr]

I'm confident in my use of QL, and am pretty sure I can lock in on solid predictions. This, provided the cases, bullet choice and chamber reamer in-hand.
QL is very useful to me.

So I would advise anyone to purchase the software, instead of undermining the innovator that brought it to us.

 

[918v]

I use QL to tell me where the node is going to be. The default settings are often wrong. But you can pre-tune the settings before you even fire your first shot. If you go to most factory load data sites they give you the case info, powder charge, velocity, and barrel length. I tune QL's burning rate setting to factory data using fired case volume from my chamber. Once I have that number I use the OBT chart to find the middle node. I load that charge weight plus/minus and go shooting. I return with actual velocity numbers and it's a minor charge weight tweak after that followed by OAL tuning.

QL assumes you have a standard chamber and you're jumping a good amount. If you like to develop your loads jammed in the lands, QL is going to give you fits. Also, if you are using FL brass and excessive neck tension/bullet pull, you'll never reach your rifle's accuracy potential.

 

[bigedp51]

Your right, I crimp my AR15 loads, but that's why they make 30 round mags for Zombie attacks. Suppressive covering fire isn't about accuracy potential, nodes or Quickload. Its about making noise and drawing the Zombies into your cone of fire. While the guys with bolt actions rifles that only hold 5 rounds are running for their lives.

Besides Eric Cortina's advice is free at accurateshooter.com and doesn't cost $160.00. And Eric doesn't run around the internet telling forum owners their members can't post Quickload results or they will be breaking copyright laws. (YEA RIGHT)

Long range load development at 100 yards.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/long-range-load-development-at-100-yards.3814361/

 

[Mikecr]

bigedp51, I have to say your latest is truly one of the dumbest posts blurted here at Long Range Hunting..

 

[Clark]

Mikecr,
A point on perspective and expectation...
I had the all time highest post count on the gun forum rec.guns on usenet before the www got gun list forums.
I have read a lot of posts.
Yours are absolutely top drawer.
My earmarks for bad posts are; no effort to be helpful, no technical content, insulting, bragging, and criticising.
Per my standards, bigedp51 is ok.

 

[918v]

Bigedp51 is posting in the wrong forum: shortsightednoisemaking.com is on the other side of the Internet.

 

[bigedp51]

bigedp51, I have to say your latest is truly one of the dumbest posts blurted here at Long Range Hunting..

The only thing dumb is the failure of some people to not grasp what is dry humor.

Would someone with access to Quickload be kind enough to run a recipe for me? I would like pressure and velocity projection for a Remington .280 with 61.0 gr. of RL22, Remington 9 1/2 primer, 140 grain Nosler Accubond, 24" barrel. Nosler cases. Thanks.

People ask for Quickload information and don't realize all the information that is needed. OAL, trim length, case capacity, actual chronograph velocity, adjusting the burn rate etc. And what gets me is so many people think it is a miracle software program and it gives better information than the reloading manuals.

Bottom line, Quickload needs to be adjusted, tweaked and fiddled with to output "ball park" information. And I will say it again, Quickload in my opinion is not worth the money you pay for it. And I did without Quickload for over 46 years and reloaded accurate ammunition.

And a lot more people say they will never buy Quickload for the simple reason how NECO goes around the internet lying and saying if you share the output of Quickload you are breaking copyright laws.