Quick load data for 223/5.556

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  1. Gene R.

    Gene R. Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering if someone could give me a starting point for 62 gr & 64 gr btsp in 223 rem/ 5.56 NATO with AR_Comp by A!liant. The deal is they were factory pulls at deep discount from RMR. I don't know and they can't tell manufacturer. When I contacted Alliant they say they need manufacturer. These loads are just for plinking steel and occasional coyote. Weapon is a RRA 223/5.56 camber.

    Thank in advance,
    Gene
     
  2. jetbrook

    jetbrook Member

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    Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
    Bullet : .224, 62, Nosler HP 35631
    Useable Case Capaci: 26.120 grain H2O = 1.696 cm³
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
    Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

    Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
    Matching Maximum Pressure: 48125 psi, or 331 MPa
    or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
    These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
    C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
    loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
    that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
    and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
    USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

    Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
    % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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    Accurate 2520 98.9 25.1 1.63 2976 97.0 48125 7799 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
    Accurate 2495 100.0 23.6 1.53 2961 99.4 45949 7758 1.086
    Lovex D073.6 100.0 24.8 1.61 2939 96.6 46193 7726 1.063
    Lovex D073.5 94.0 24.3 1.57 2922 96.1 48125 7473 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
    Accurate 2460 93.7 24.3 1.57 2922 96.1 48125 7473 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
    Rottweil R901 98.6 22.6 1.46 2922 97.5 48125 7444 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
    SNPE Vectan SP 7 98.5 25.4 1.65 2898 90.1 48125 7494 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
    Hodgdon H380 100.0 24.6 1.59 2782 87.4 40941 7372 1.122
    Accurate 4064 100.0 23.6 1.53 2778 95.5 37850 7523 1.183
    Bofors RP3 100.0 24.3 1.58 2771 91.0 38185 7501 1.154
    Norma 203 old 100.0 24.3 1.58 2771 91.0 38185 7501 1.154
    Somchem S355 100.0 23.6 1.53 2715 89.7 37185 7191 1.171
    Elcho 17 100.0 25.3 1.64 2710 86.2 35908 7636 1.168
    Alliant Reloder-17 100.0 25.3 1.64 2710 86.2 35908 7636 1.168
    IMR 4007 SSC 100.0 24.4 1.58 2698 82.2 40454 6855 1.138
    Rottweil R903 100.0 23.8 1.54 2693 89.2 35435 7208 1.191
    Winchester 760 100.0 25.5 1.65 2690 80.4 36925 7207 1.163
    Hodgdon H414 100.0 25.5 1.65 2690 80.4 36925 7207 1.163
    ReloadSwiss RS 60 100.0 25.3 1.64 2686 86.0 35167 7674 1.178
    Vihtavuori N550 100.0 24.6 1.59 2638 83.4 33591 7170 1.206
    PB Clermont PCL 511 100.0 25.6 1.66 2618 79.7 34403 7017 1.198
    Bofors RP7 100.0 23.6 1.53 2605 80.2 36530 6564 1.192
    Rottweil R907 100.0 23.6 1.53 2605 80.2 36530 6564 1.192
    Lovex S065 100.0 23.6 1.53 2581 82.5 34374 6597 1.220
    Norma URP 100.0 23.8 1.54 2543 81.0 30770 6781 1.248
    Bofors RP19 ~approximation 100.0 23.8 1.54 2542 81.0 30743 6776 1.249
    Lovex S070 100.0 23.8 1.54 2530 78.9 32028 6508 1.249
    ReloadSwiss RS 62 100.0 25.2 1.63 2527 79.1 30035 6887 1.262
    Ramshot Hunter 100.0 24.9 1.61 2519 77.2 31070 6647 1.249
    Norma 204 100.0 24.9 1.61 2517 73.6 32915 6368 1.225
    Accurate 4350 100.0 24.1 1.56 2498 79.8 28331 6794 1.288
    Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 100.0 24.4 1.58 2484 76.1 30734 6338 1.258
    Alliant Reloder-16 100.0 23.5 1.52 2473 79.5 28164 6671 1.291
    Somchem S365
     
  3. jetbrook

    jetbrook Member

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    Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
    Bullet : .224, 64, Berger M Var #22316
    Useable Case Capaci: 25.669 grain H2O = 1.667 cm³
    Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
    Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

    Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
    Matching Maximum Pressure: 48125 psi, or 331 MPa
    or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
    These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
    C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
    loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
    that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
    and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
    USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

    Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
    % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
    --------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Accurate 2520 98.7 24.6 1.60 2929 97.2 48125 7701 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
    Accurate 2495 100.0 23.1 1.50 2919 99.5 46250 7650 1.098
    Lovex D073.6 100.0 24.4 1.58 2898 96.8 46450 7639 1.074
    Lovex D073.5 93.8 23.8 1.54 2876 96.3 48125 7379 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
    Accurate 2460 93.6 23.8 1.54 2876 96.3 48125 7379 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
    Rottweil R901 98.4 22.1 1.43 2874 97.6 48125 7343 1.082 ! Near Maximum !
    SNPE Vectan SP 7 98.4 25.0 1.62 2853 90.4 48125 7414 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
    Hodgdon H380 100.0 24.2 1.57 2744 87.9 41156 7312 1.134
    Accurate 4064 100.0 23.1 1.50 2741 95.8 38092 7442 1.195
    Bofors RP3 100.0 23.9 1.55 2733 91.5 38414 7435 1.166
    Norma 203 old 100.0 23.9 1.55 2733 91.5 38414 7435 1.166
    Somchem S355 100.0 23.1 1.50 2679 90.1 37398 7129 1.184
    Elcho 17 100.0 24.8 1.61 2675 86.7 36066 7588 1.181
    Alliant Reloder-17 100.0 24.8 1.61 2675 86.7 36066 7588 1.181
    IMR 4007 SSC 100.0 24.0 1.56 2661 82.7 40645 6803 1.151
    Rottweil R903 100.0 23.4 1.52 2657 89.6 35649 7148 1.205
    Winchester 760 100.0 25.0 1.62 2655 80.9 37093 7161 1.175
    Hodgdon H414 100.0 25.0 1.62 2655 80.9 37093 7161 1.175
    ReloadSwiss RS 60 100.0 24.8 1.61 2652 86.6 35321 7633 1.191
    Vihtavuori N550 100.0 24.2 1.57 2604 83.9 33754 7123 1.220
    PB Clermont PCL 511 100.0 25.2 1.63 2584 80.2 34550 6977 1.211
    Bofors RP7 100.0 23.2 1.51 2570 80.7 36709 6516 1.205
    Rottweil R907 100.0 23.2 1.51 2570 80.7 36709 6516 1.205
    Lovex S065 100.0 23.1 1.50 2546 83.0 34550 6549 1.234
    Norma URP 100.0 23.4 1.52 2510 81.5 30920 6740 1.262
    Bofors RP19 ~approximation 100.0 23.4 1.52 2509 81.5 30892 6734 1.262
    Lovex S070 100.0 23.4 1.52 2497 79.4 32204 6465 1.263
    ReloadSwiss RS 62 100.0 24.8 1.61 2495 79.7 30176 6852 1.275
    Ramshot Hunter 100.0 24.4 1.58 2486 77.7 31206 6612 1.263
    Norma 204 100.0 24.4 1.58 2484 74.1 33055 6333 1.239
    Accurate 4350 100.0 23.7 1.53 2467 80.4 28488 6755 1.302
    Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 100.0 24.0 1.56 2452 76.6 30878 6302 1.272
    Alliant Reloder-16 100.0 23.0 1.49 2442 80.1 28315 6637 1.305
    Somchem S365 100.0 23.5 1.53 2423 82.5 27436 6706 1.322
    Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 100.0 22.9 1.48 2415 82.3 28662 6257 1.303
    Bofors RP4 ~approximation 100.0 23.7 1.53 2393 71.8 29907 6004 1.290
    Raufoss RA4 100.0 23.7 1.53 2393 71.8 29907 6004 1.290
    ReloadSwiss RS 70 100.0 25.2 1.63 2376 69.7 29216 6188 1.304
    Rottweil R904 100.0 23.3 1.51 2363 70.7 29723 5742 1.298
    ADI AR 2209 100.0 23.5 1.53 2357 69.7 28954 5870 1.307
    Alliant Reloder-19 100.0 23.7 1.53 2348 70.1 28001 5930 1.325
    IMR 4831 100.0 22.7 1.47 2347 78.0 25882 6149 1.359
    Somchem S361 100.0 25.2 1.63 2343 69.7 29946 5621 1.305
    Bofors RP14 ~approximation 100.0 23.7 1.53 2322 69.5 27412 5806 1.337
    Winchester Supreme 780 100.0 24.9 1.62 2300 69.2 28130 5628 1.330
    Somchem S385 100.0 23.9 1.55 2285 71.0 25508 5792 1.376
    Hodgdon H4831 SC 100.0 23.9 1.55 2261 65.0 27057 5401 1.351
    Norma MRP 100.0 24.7 1.60 2251 65.5 24671 5892 1.416
    IMR 7828 SSC 100.0 24.3 1.58 2237 61.3 26061 5411 1.370
    ADI AR 2213 100.0 23.9 1.55 2233 61.8 25939 5345 1.373
    Alliant Reloder-26 100.0 25.4 1.65 2229 65.8 23933 5999 1.433
    Vihtavuori N560 100.0 24.2 1.57 2215 60.8 24389 5521 1.426
    Raufoss RA15 100.0 23.9 1.55 2211 64.1 23863 5581 1.413
    Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 100.0 23.9 1.55 2211 64.1 23863 5581 1.413
    Alliant Reloder-22 100.0 23.9 1.55 2211 64.1 23863 5581 1.413
    Vihtavuori N160 100.0 22.7 1.47 2172 65.5 24397 4999 1.411
    Hodgdon H4831 100.0 23.0 1.49 2162 62.2 24064 5022 1.416
    Rottweil R905 100.0 23.5 1.52 2156 61.1 23246 5176 1.432
    Alliant Reloder-23 100.0 23.1 1.50 2150 69.3 21553 5496 1.469
    Accurate MAGPRO 100.0 25.2 1.63 2145 56.9 23134 5241 1.461
    Bofors RP15 100.0 23.4 1.52 2145 61.9 22163 5291 1.456
    Winchester WXR 100.0 23.4 1.52 2145 61.9 22163 5291 1.456
    Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 100.0 24.1 1.56 2144 58.0 24009 4839 1.424
    Vihtavuori N165 100.0 23.4 1.52 2130 65.4 22752 5011 1.449
    Accurate 3100 100.0 23.7 1.53 2123 68.0 20768 5365 1.523
    IMR 7828 100.0 23.0 1.49 2102 57.1 22127 4812 1.463
    Ramshot Magnum 100.0 25.8 1.67 2087 58.6 23046 4879 1.477
    Alliant Reloder-25 100.0 23.5 1.53 2055 59.1 20389 4812 1.513
    ADI AP 2214 100.0 24.6 1.59 2043 53.7 22343 4406 1.501
    SNPE Vectan SP 12 100.0 25.3 1.64 2020 52.6 21389 4542 1.523
    PB Clermont PCL 517 100.0 25.3 1.64 2015 52.2 21294 4513 1.526
    Lovex S071 100.0 22.4 1.45 1983 63.6 17709 4815 1.633
    Norma MRP 2 100.0 23.7 1.53 1935 51.3 17903 4369 1.632
    Bofors RP30 100.0 23.7 1.53 1935 51.3 17903 4369 1.632
    ADI AR 2217 100.0 23.4 1.52 1926 50.1 19263 3934 1.601
    Hodgdon H1000 100.0 23.4 1.52 1926 50.1 19263 3934 1.601
    Vihtavuori N570 100.0 24.9 1.62 1858 41.4 17561 3859 1.653
    Lovex D100 100.0 25.5 1.65 1841 44.0 18504 3615 1.638
    ADI AR 2225 100.0 23.8 1.54 1836 46.8 16770 3744 1.696
    Hodgdon Retumbo 100.0 23.8 1.54 1836 46.8 16770 3744 1.696
    Vihtavuori N170 100.0 23.4 1.52 1830 47.7 16620 3849 1.696
    Vihtavuori 24N41 100.0 25.2 1.63 1803 39.2 17778 3374 1.666
    Alliant Reloder-33 100.0 25.7 1.66 1778 39.1 16379 3527 1.712
    ADI AR 2218 100.0 25.2 1.63 1744 35.5 16643 3174 1.712
    ReloadSwiss RS 80 100.0 25.7 1.66 1728 37.3 15692 3296 1.748
    Norma 217 100.0 23.3 1.51 1714 41.8 14150 3385 1.811
    Hodgdon H870 100.0 24.4 1.58 1701 38.2 14568 3238 1.797
    Hodgdon 50BMG 100.0 24.0 1.56 1680 34.3 14832 2998 1.789
    Hodgdon US 869 100.0 25.2 1.63 1655 35.1 14578 2921 1.814
    Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 100.0 25.0 1.62 1615 34.1 12736 3177 1.883
    SNPE Vectan SP 13 100.0 24.2 1.57 1610 36.5 13231 2855 1.884
    Alliant Reloder-50 100.0 25.6 1.66 1581 32.3 12685 2883 1.905
    PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 100.0 24.2 1.57 1568 34.3 12693 2675 1.921
    Accurate 8700 100.0 24.7 1.60 1567 33.5 13263 2584 1.897
    NC A3502 ,test only 100.0 23.1 1.50 1537 26.4 13434 2172 1.889
    Vihtavuori 20N29 100.0 25.5 1.65 1520 30.9 12400 2500 1.948
    TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 100.0 23.1 1.50 1502 27.1 12416 2181 1.949
    V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 100.0 23.1 1.50 1131 13.5 8076 1080 2.504
     
  4. Gene R.

    Gene R. Well-Known Member

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    Thank you very much. If I can help ya out feel free to ask.

    Gene
     
  5. APDDSN0864

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    Gene,
    I bought 1.000 of the 64gr BTSP from RMR before they started selling that mixed lot of 62 & 64 gr bullets.

    I found a very happy place with 24.5gr of Varget, CCI 400 primers, in Hornady and LC brass.
    I went up to 25.5gr with no excessive pressure signs, but 24.5gr was the sweet spot for both my Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 5.56 and a custom AR-15 16" in .223. Both have 1:8 twist barrels.

    I seat to just the very bottom edge of the cannelure, giving me an OAL of 2.5". This will barely fit in the Ruger 5 shot mags and I have to use the ASC AR mags which will allow them to function just fine.

    This load puts five rounds into 1/2" or less @ 100yds when I do my part. The RAR wears a Leupold fixed 8x with AO, and the AR-15 wears a Leupold VX-R 2-7 x 33.

    So far, these rounds have accounted for one coyote and one bobcat. DRT. :D

    Best wishes in your quest!

    Ed
     
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2016
  6. Gene R.

    Gene R. Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the data. I look into that also. How did the btsp preform on yote and cat. Big holes or punch through?

    Gene
     
  7. APDDSN0864

    APDDSN0864 Member

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    .22 cal. hole on entry, 1/2" hole on exit on the coyote. I didn't get the chance to look over the cat carcass for exit wound.

    The info I picked up on those bullets was that they were Federal bonded core bullets for their law enforcement ammunition, meant for barrier penetration and stopping bad guys.

    The ammo reviews laud the accuracy and effectiveness even after penetrating barriers such as windshields and window glass.

    This tells me that they would be great for larger varmints, hogs, and deer hunting, but not for the "red mist" effect on prairie dogs.

    I was hesitant to crimp them, even though they have the cannelure, so I removed he expander ball from my sizing die and just loaded them after neck sizing. I have ~.003" neck tension with this method.

    I think you'll be pleased with the bullets you got. I used the same powder charge/primer with Sierra 63gr GameKings and got nearly the same accuracy. The largest group @ 100yds with them was 3/4".
    This is an "opportunistic" hunting rifle, so those groups work great for me.

    Ed
     
  8. APDDSN0864

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    To explain why I didn't get a chance to check the exit hole on the bobcat, here is a narrative I posted on another forum about killing the two varmints;

    "I was in the back pasture at sunset, just checking things out, when I saw a really mangy Bobcat step out of the treeline and into the tall grass about 150 yards from me.
    Having my trusty Ruger American Ranch Rifle with me, I took the shot, dropping him in his tracks. I rode over to him and took a close look. He was obviously very sick, just skin & bones. It was a fully mature tom, but covered in mange, ticks, and fleas. I had left my cellphone back at the house, so I took off to get it to record this "trophy" [​IMG].

    When I came back into the pasture, there were three coyotes standing where the Bobcat was lying. I raised the rifle and watched as one of the bigger coyotes snatched the Bobcat up and began running with it. The other two just stared at the departing thief, so I shot the closest of them. He also dropped at the shot and the other two coyotes made away with the Bobcat carcass. So, without further adieu, my "harvest" for the day;
    You should have seen the one(s) that got away. [​IMG]

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    Ed
     

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  9. Gene R.

    Gene R. Well-Known Member

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    That's a funny story. One got dinner, one away, two got dead. I was guessing federal for some reason in my head for manufacturer. Pretty much what I bought them for *Rule 4 Violation*'n bullet. Half the pice of 69 gr Sierra's.
    Thanks,
    Gene
     
  10. ncwg2boatguy

    ncwg2boatguy Well-Known Member

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    I bought a mess of the pulled bullets from RMR also. Great success with the following with either bullet 62 or 64gr.

    25gr H4895
    Fed 205m Primers
    LC Brass
    3000 fps