I'm just curious has anyone used all three of these bullets and what they seen. I've used pva with great success on game. The hammers I've shot but not on game and from friends good reports. The bull dozer 2 I've heard good things but it would be interesting to see a comparison of all 3.
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PVA Cayuga Hunting- Hammer - Bull dozer 2 bullets
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My personal take on it from using all three, I think they are all good so far. The Hammers are usually pretty easy to get decent accuracy, and are usually tied with the PVA's for top velocity (badlands are usually the slowest). The hammer's would probably be my choice for sub 500 yard hunting where light and fast wins and bc doesn't matter, also because they have the most options for bullet choice and weight for nearly any caliber. For anything farther, badlands and PVA spanks hammer in the bc department, nearly in all cases retain more velocity, and less importantly, energy, and have WAY less wind drift. They both (PVA and badlands gen II) have worked well for me terminally in my personal and first hand observed testing from close range out to extended ranges.
Badlands Precision Bullets thread - From BC to terminal ballistics
There seems to have been rising interest in these bullets, but information is spread out and somewhat limited, so hopefully this thread will help consolidate information. I would like to keep this thread somewhat organized, accurate, and to the point. If you have first hand experience please...
PVA Cayuga, terminal performance starts on page 4 -
Anyone using PVA Cayuga bullets?
How have you found the Cayuga projos relative to the Badlands Gen II for pressuring up? I run the 7mm 150 Badlands Gen 2's at 3,711 fps. Could I expect the Cayuga 151's come out about the same? From what I have found, the Cayuga's are more similar to a standard lead core bullet, I have actually...
And finally, Hammers -
Official Hammer bullets Terminal Performance (picture heavy)
Let’s try to keep Discussion to a minimum in this. Details-animal, distance, caliber/cartridge, bullet and weight. Animal weight if you know it. I’ll kick it off, Water buffalo, 60 yards-full broad side 300AX Hammer hunter 181@3490fps Dressed without the hide, head and guts 902lbs.
My personal take on it from using all three, I think they are all good so far. The Hammers are usually pretty easy to get decent accuracy, and are usually tied with the PVA's for top velocity (badlands are usually the slowest). The hammer's would probably be my choice for sub 500 yard hunting where light and fast wins and bc doesn't matter, also because they have the most options for bullet choice and weight for nearly any caliber. For anything farther, badlands and PVA spanks hammer in the bc department, nearly in all cases retain more velocity, and less importantly, energy, and have WAY less wind drift. They both (PVA and badlands gen II) have worked well for me terminally in my personal and first hand observed testing from close range out to extended ranges.
codyadams
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I'll also add, the high bc numbers for the badlands and PVA's have, so far, lined up very closely with observed drops. Just make sure you use them in appropriate twist rate barrels, I like to go about .5" twist faster than the minimum recommendation. I haven't really tested drops on the Hammers, I have only loaded them in guns we use for for MPBR, sub 400 yard guns for us.
I've used the 151 pva with great results g7 .305 I used out to 800 yards. I normally will keep my hunting to 800 yards and in. But I'm glad all 3 seem to have great performance and seem to be equal on game. I can shoot game from 100 yards to 800 yards just depends on the year. Yes I agree I like spinning coppers .5 or 1 whole twist faster than recommended.
Badlands -
Badlands Precision Bullets thread - From BC to terminal ballistics
There seems to have been rising interest in these bullets, but information is spread out and somewhat limited, so hopefully this thread will help consolidate information. I would like to keep this thread somewhat organized, accurate, and to the point. If you have first hand experience please...
PVA Cayuga, terminal performance starts on page 4 -
Anyone using PVA Cayuga bullets?
How have you found the Cayuga projos relative to the Badlands Gen II for pressuring up? I run the 7mm 150 Badlands Gen 2's at 3,711 fps. Could I expect the Cayuga 151's come out about the same? From what I have found, the Cayuga's are more similar to a standard lead core bullet, I have actually...
And finally, Hammers -
Official Hammer bullets Terminal Performance (picture heavy)
Let’s try to keep Discussion to a minimum in this. Details-animal, distance, caliber/cartridge, bullet and weight. Animal weight if you know it. I’ll kick it off, Water buffalo, 60 yards-full broad side 300AX Hammer hunter 181@3490fps Dressed without the hide, head and guts 902lbs.
My personal take on it from using all three, I think they are all good so far. The Hammers are usually pretty easy to get decent accuracy, and are usually tied with the PVA's for top velocity (badlands are usually the slowest). The hammer's would probably be my choice for sub 500 yard hunting where light and fast wins and bc doesn't matter, also because they have the most options for bullet choice and weight for nearly any caliber. For anything farther, badlands and PVA spanks hammer in the bc department, nearly in all cases retain more velocity, and less importantly, energy, and have WAY less wind drift. They both (PVA and badlands gen II) have worked well for me terminally in my personal and first hand observed testing from close range out to extended ranges.
So for the PVA are you shooting bone or just double lung? I planned on shooting the 122gr and got some good velocity in my PRC but after Josh's comments about they should be shot into bone I stopped as that doesn't work for the type of hunting I do.
I killed 2 mule deer and 1 bull elk with the 7mm 151. I believe one deer was 200 right behind front shoulder angled 6 inch behind off side should dropped in tracks. Another mule deer at 472 pretty much same angle right behind front shoulder took a step to run and slid down hill 15 yards. Both never hit shoulder bone just some ribs. The bull elk was also 472 if I remember and he took a step when I pulled the trigger ended hitting him very far back at dusk. He ran 20 to 30 yards into timber and died. When I gutted him In the dark I found liver and other organs in the pelvis and the damage was massive. The 3 I've taken was all rib shots destroying lungs and other organs.
codyadams
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Check out the thread, we shot a doe pronghorn behind the shoulder with no bone hit, and the bullet expanded and had secondary wound channels from nose petals
Did Josh end up changing his bullets? I heard he was going to a different copper alloy or something
codyadams
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Haven't heard any further, but tomorrow we are going to hopefully harvest a couple goats with the 170 7mm from a 7.5 twist 7 Sherman max, if we shoot them at any range we should have some decent lower velocity impact testing
Nice let us know how it goes. I will call and see if they ever changed I heard rumors but don't know for sure
codyadams
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Updated the pva thread linked above!
codyadams
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A couple updates on the Badlands thread as well
Thank you for the updates. I'm thinking overall the pva bullets seem to be doing the best with hammers second depending on range.
