I know its almost old news by now, but just wondered if anyone on here lives in the area?
How are things going, from a local perspective?
Have they detirmined a cause?
How are things going, from a local perspective?
Have they detirmined a cause?
Ohio Train Wreck
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birddog 68
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I live about 20 minutes away in western Pa.
To be honest things are still not good and will not be for a long time. We have actually been drinking natural spring water from about 8 miles away because we really don't trust our city water from the river.
Our prevalent wind is from the west and we're east and slightly north from the site.
In the vicinity they have been checking chemical levels in drinking water and supposedly it's within the safe range but I watched a video of a guy offering a glass of water to a person who just tested his family's water and for some reason he refused to drink it!
The worst parts of the situation is the community is being kept in the dark about long term health risks and the total lack of help from our federal government.
Supposedly a axle and or hung up brake is the cause. There's a video of sparks flying from the railcar 45 minutes before the derailment.
That's about all the info I have at this time.
To be honest things are still not good and will not be for a long time. We have actually been drinking natural spring water from about 8 miles away because we really don't trust our city water from the river.
Our prevalent wind is from the west and we're east and slightly north from the site.
In the vicinity they have been checking chemical levels in drinking water and supposedly it's within the safe range but I watched a video of a guy offering a glass of water to a person who just tested his family's water and for some reason he refused to drink it!
The worst parts of the situation is the community is being kept in the dark about long term health risks and the total lack of help from our federal government.
Supposedly a axle and or hung up brake is the cause. There's a video of sparks flying from the railcar 45 minutes before the derailment.
That's about all the info I have at this time.
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Thank you. I feel for all of you folks in that area, it's got to be incredibly difficult to deal with it all- especially the not knowing what the long term effects are likely to be.
I'll keep you all in my prayers.
Ron
I'll keep you all in my prayers.
Ron
birddog 68
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Thank you it's much appreciated
BAKPAKR
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He milled all of the wood.
SkipB
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Man you guys stay safe and be careful, I hear it was a broken axle
Praying you all stay safe.
Muddyboots
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I posted up in the balloon thread what farce the government response has been.
Post in thread 'CCP Baloon over the US'
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/ccp-baloon-over-the-us.323191/post-2747707
So the wreck occurred Feb 3rd, so for 18 days Norfolk has done NOTHING to remediate the site. NOTHING! So after 18 days, EPA decides maybe we need to "order" the cleanup? This is mind numbing incompetence and ridiculous Norfolk has done NOTHING to remediate the spill site.
www.foxbusiness.com
So for 18 days, chemicals have been permeating the soil toward groundwater. You cannot unequivocal state the groundwater is safe or homes are safe due to this ongoing percolation process dependent upon soil permeability.
This whole response is obscene in lack of a government agency (EPA) to be so slow in exercising their authority (18 freaking days!) to protect the citizens of East Palentine. The long term impact IMO, is likely to be quite severe once the extent of the subsurface contamination is determined through extensive soil and groundwater investigations.
Every shipper has to have spill response plan as part of their transportation. Norfolk failed in implementation and East Palentine is paying the price.
Post in thread 'CCP Baloon over the US'
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/ccp-baloon-over-the-us.323191/post-2747707
So the wreck occurred Feb 3rd, so for 18 days Norfolk has done NOTHING to remediate the site. NOTHING! So after 18 days, EPA decides maybe we need to "order" the cleanup? This is mind numbing incompetence and ridiculous Norfolk has done NOTHING to remediate the spill site.
EPA orders Norfolk Southern to clean up Ohio train derailment site
The EPA has officially ordered rail company Norfolk Southern to clean up the site of the train derailment that spilled toxic chemicals into the environment on Feb. 3.
So for 18 days, chemicals have been permeating the soil toward groundwater. You cannot unequivocal state the groundwater is safe or homes are safe due to this ongoing percolation process dependent upon soil permeability.
This whole response is obscene in lack of a government agency (EPA) to be so slow in exercising their authority (18 freaking days!) to protect the citizens of East Palentine. The long term impact IMO, is likely to be quite severe once the extent of the subsurface contamination is determined through extensive soil and groundwater investigations.
Every shipper has to have spill response plan as part of their transportation. Norfolk failed in implementation and East Palentine is paying the price.
Frank in the Laurels
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...you can't go very far in any direction from the wreck and not run into some kind of a chemical plant..with the amount of propane being processed along the river there lucky it wasn't 100 times worse...
41Magnum
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Man I feel for those people, what bothers me is that video of the train 45 minutes before the derailment, I haven't seen it, I wonder if the person tried to call 911, the railroad, or someone to get that train stopped. I also heard of one person coming forward and said they saw it go by with sparks flying also. I would hate to think that I could have called someone and prevented the whole catastrophe and didn't…..
Muddyboots
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So Trump goes there and now FEMA decides "oh maybe we should send someone to see what the fuss is about.". Useless DOT Buttigieg goes and remains useless. So EPA fails miserably, FEMA fails miserably and DOT fails miserably. My bet due to way in over their respective heads and paralyzed to make decisions from lack of basic understanding of their own positions. Procedures are in place, just push the dam buttons. There are people in these agencies that are qualified and can get it done.
Just get out the way and let them do their jobs.
Norfolk? They are going to get their life sued by every cable lawyer out there and rightfully so.
Just get out the way and let them do their jobs.
Norfolk? They are going to get their life sued by every cable lawyer out there and rightfully so.
birddog 68
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Totally agree. Failure from top to bottom.
Was listening to a chemist and he said that they should have never exploded the one chemical. It's bad all by itself but once you put flame to it it's way worse. He's convinced the soil is contaminated for miles since the particles drifted with the wind. There will be a large increase in cancers, miscarriage and birth defects in this area for many years. He actually said the Chernobyl nuclear meltdown is the only disaster close in comparison.
They don't want anyone to know how bad this really is but the truth will come out eventually.
BAKPAKR
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Oops. This was kind of like a butt dial.
My daughter had a volleyball tournament scheduled for East Palestine next month. The venue has been moved farther north due to the accident. My thoughts are with the people really affected by it.
Frank in the Laurels
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...no matter where you go along the river your never far from some type of chemical plant and God forbid liquid propane.....I scratch my head every time I travel from Wheeling to Youngstown....a heck of a lot of goods moving on water, rail and highway, constantly.
