Irresponsible bullet manufacturers

[xsn10s]

When I started reloading over thirty years ago it was standard practice to buy the reloading manual for each bullet manufacturer you wanted to use. So I have reloading manuals for all the bullet I use and some that I don't use. In addition to all those I have reloading manuals and books from authors outside of the bullet manufacturers. It's only during the internet age that SOME manufacturers put out free reloading data. Even then they have reloading manuals to purchase.The manuals have information on how to reload too. Well worth the price of the manual.

 

[Frank in the Laurels]

...pay for bullets, hell I'd be happy to pay for some...maybe they need to pay just a little more attention to manufacturing a few more..

 

[Highbrass Shooter]

It burns my butt that if I spend my money to buy bullets from a bullet company that their answer to a data question is " well you need to spend more money and buy my data " Hornaday for example I've got some 123 amax bullets and i need some 6.5 prc data sent them a email to see about load data I even sent them a powder list and their was we'll sell it to ya that just ****es me off. Sorry for the vent and I know there are bullet companies that freely give you their data and I applaud them for doing so Barnes and Berger will amongst others

I'm very new here but get what OP is saying. I bought hornady 10th edition when came out, anlong with few previous editions only to find out I had to get hornady app only to then find out I had to buy what data I wanted for a $1 cartridge. That is BS IMO, ived used/loaded hornady bullets for over 20yrs but no more. I prefer Speer, sierra, nosler etc anyway

 

[Kmccord]

I have not read the whole thread, but what I normally do, if it is Hodgdon powder, I go to there reloading center to find the data for same weight class bullet or Nosler load data for various powders for similar weight bullet, then tweek to my load. Just an FYI if you had not thought about it.

 

[CMP70306]

I'm very new here but get what OP is saying. I bought hornady 10th edition when came out, anlong with few previous editions only to find out I had to get hornady app only to then find out I had to buy what data I wanted for a $1 cartridge. That is BS IMO, ived used/loaded hornady bullets for over 20yrs but no more. I prefer Speer, sierra, nosler etc anyway

Hodgdon Reloading Data Center – The Brand Thats True

www.hodgdonreloading.com

Try this instead.

The app gives you three options, buy each cartridge for a dollar, buy the whole book for $20, or pay $20 per year to get all the newest data instantly when it is released. That's what I do and I believe they sent me the hard copy of the 11th manual for free when it was released.

Considering it probably costs them several thousand dollars to develop the data for each of the bullet weights per cartridge $20 bucks for the book of hundreds of cartridges is pretty dang cheap.

 

[FEENIX]

When I started reloading over thirty years ago it was standard practice to buy the reloading manual for each bullet manufacturer you wanted to use. So I have reloading manuals for all the bullet I use and some that I don't use. In addition to all those I have reloading manuals and books from authors outside of the bullet manufacturers. It's only during the internet age that SOME manufacturers put out free reloading data. Even then they have reloading manuals to purchase.The manuals have information on how to reload too. Well worth the price of the manual.

This!

 

[ARlife4me]

Before the WWW there was books. I know right! Right up there with phones with cords. Technology has help and made some things worse!

 

[Highbrass Shooter]

Hodgdon Reloading Data Center – The Brand Thats True

www.hodgdonreloading.com

Try this instead.

The app gives you three options, buy each cartridge for a dollar, buy the whole book for $20, or pay $20 per year to get all the newest data instantly when it is released. That's what I do and I believe they sent me the hard copy of the 11th manual for free when it was released.

Considering it probably costs them several thousand dollars to develop the data for each of the bullet weights per cartridge $20 bucks for the book of hundreds of cartridges is pretty dang cheap.

I use hodgsdon data first 99% anyway just interested in eld velocities from hornady. Just rubbed me wrong Hornady is nickel and diming their data withholding data from book to sell online. I understand it's huge expense to them testing all those powders/manpower etc.

 

[xsn10s]

I understand it's huge expense to them testing all those powders/manpower etc.

Then it shouldn't be an issue to pay for their load data. Show of hands how many here would rather not receive any pay for the work they've done.

 

[Monteria]

For what it's worth, I use all free online resources and quickload. And though I approach it carefully and have not blown anything up in 30years, I consider myself the irresponsible party not the folks who charge for verified data.

Steve

 

[FEENIX]

Just rubbed me wrong Hornady is nickel and diming their data withholding data from book to sell online. I understand it's huge expense to them testing all those powders/manpower etc.

Nothing is free, and no one is forced to pay for the online service they provide.

 

[Highbrass Shooter]

Then it shouldn't be an issue to pay for their load data. Show of hands how many here would rather not receive any pay for the work they've done.

I did pay for their data and it should've been in th book I bought like it has been for yrs and yrs. They withheld data to sell online. That's BS business. If you wanna pay extra for their withheld data go right ahead. I won't. I been doing this for **** near 30yrs too.

 

[FEENIX]

I did pay for their data and it should've been in th book I bought like it has been for yrs and yrs. They withheld data to sell online. That's BS business. If you wanna pay extra for their withheld data go right ahead. I won't. I been doing this for **** near 30yrs too.

You previously noted you have their 10th ed. I also have the same edition. If it is not on the reloading manual, it means whatever you were looking for was not captured before the publication. Their latest is the 11th ed. As much as I like the newest edition, I did not buy it because the 10th ed has everything I need, at least for now.

 

[cajun]

Just go to bass pro and take a picture of the pages on your phone lol.