Help chosing an Elk Cartridge.

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by John Spadaro, Dec 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM.

  1. sceeder

    sceeder Well-Known Member

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    My cousins has been a outfitter in Montana for the last 30 years and has used nothing but a to 257 Roberts And has killed an elk every year for the last 30 years. Its light recoil and a pleasure to shoot and he shot elk at over 400 yds.
     
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  2. CJS-6.5

    CJS-6.5 Active Member

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    Where can I buy them? I haven't found them for quite a while. Those were the ones I was talking about...
     
  3. 35 Whelen

    35 Whelen Well-Known Member

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    Yes they are moving a little slow there for a lot of calibers. They seem to think they need to flood the market with a ton of cartridges that just duplicate one another, when better bullets for all calibers would be a much better option. For the 270 win. from what I have studied most of the bullets we have with a bc of up .400's to very low 500's in the 150gr. is about as good as it gets. I looked at doing a 270 win. with a faster twist for the berger 170gr. but with the amount of velocity losted the hornady 145 eld-x and the nosler 150gr ab long range are better choses.
     
  4. WildRose

    WildRose Well-Known Member

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    Not really, like anything else they are trying to make up their development costs as quickly as possible so they start with the most popular, usually either 7mm or 7.62 then 7mm. 6.5's then usually follow.

    Volume = quick profits.
     
  5. wilkup

    wilkup Well-Known Member

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    My local reloading shop had the 170gr Bergers in stock 2 weeks ago when I was last in. Matrix will make theirs on request, at least last time I spoke with the new owner a few months back.
    Something else to consider is the need for a high BC option at all when 400 yards is supposedly maximum hunting distance. I’m planning to push the Hammer 117gr and 126gr Hunter offerings in my 270SS, both of which are fairly low on the BC scale, but will each maintain 1200+ ft/lbs out past 500 yards. I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger on one of our big Roosevelt’s with either of those bullets next year at that range. In fact, whichever shoots better is what I’ll be hunting with next season and begin practicing with this spring.
    Why bother with heavy, high BC bullets when the OP’s max hunting range was set at 400 yards? For the range, it’ll stay super sonic at least double that and paper/steel doesn’t require energy to show good groups
     
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  6. John Spadaro

    John Spadaro Member

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    Honolulu. I plan to practice long range in Montana and hunt Elk in Oregon
     
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  7. wilkup

    wilkup Well-Known Member

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    Excellent answer! Good luck
     
  8. CJS-6.5

    CJS-6.5 Active Member

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    Exactly. This is what I was trying to get at. Most people over equip. For me, if I really want to I can get within 30 yards of most big game...that is the thrill of the hunt. Not spotting an animal 1000 yards away and pot shotting.
     
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    And I wouldn't mind the name of the shop that has the Bergers. The Matrixs are pretty much dunno from what I can see. The previous owner wouldn't release the dies.
     
  10. CJS-6.5

    CJS-6.5 Active Member

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    Water makes a good backdrop. Buy some cheap bathtub ducks and have a blast. I actually initially shoot into a river long range to verify drop to save ammo.
     
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  11. John Spadaro

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    I don’t think that would go over very well with the authorities. They might think I was trying to kill surfers. I would have to shoot from my boat, in which case I wouldn’t hit anything.
     
  12. wilkup

    wilkup Well-Known Member

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    Steve’s got some pretty heavy hunting options over at Hammer too... 156gr and 168gr, both pushing some pretty high BCs and he’s got the best guarantee in the business! You just have to reload.
     
  13. CJS-6.5

    CJS-6.5 Active Member

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    I haven't heard of them...and I reload many cartridges so no problem.
     
  14. CJS-6.5

    CJS-6.5 Active Member

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    Hmmm...I had heard that there was a lot of unoccupied shore there...good having you here with us on the net at least...