From the good people at Powder Valley

[Gary Kaney]

Cannot believe the whining from those who never learned to plan ahead.

Bought mine during Obama days for $35.00/ 1000.

Exactly.

 

[can1010]

hoarders are not the problem. greed is the problem. you have big box stores like Cabalas that let there employees buy it up just to run to GB and it never gets to the general public, there was a huge blow up at a Cabalas in my area when employees were caught loading there cars out the back door
even the local mom & pop shops aren't any better here. if you don't personally know the owner you are out of luck.

solution. hackers destroy GB if they don't have an outlet to rip people off then they wont be buying and then it will hit the shelves for the general public

 

[L.Sherm]

Toilet paper for primers??
Seriously. l'm going to keep shooting regardless the price.
My money. My choice.

You are correct about your money, the difference is I choose to be part of solutions and not the problem.

 

[NYHUNTER444]

Love seeing that from PV. Don't be an enabler.

Frontier, by the same measure, just because you want to hoard stuff doesn't mean the rest of us didn't plan ahead as well. The difference? I SHOOT. I shoot A LOT. I don't hoard reloading supplies and then wag a finger at people because they don't have a consumable on hand, I actually USE IT.

I too bought tens of thousands of primers and 100s of pounds of powder. Its gone, I shot it. You see, that's what this stuff is for, you put it all together and then you go out and SHOOT IT.

So save us your indignation. We are all very happy that you have a bunch of stuff you don't use. Bravo, you are officially a hoarder. When you become a shooter, check back in with us.

Some of us are good enough shooters that we don't have to keep shooting.
I'm not a hoarder.
I'm a planner.
I saw these times coming 20 years ago after 9/11.
I always keep enough on hand for the shooting that I do and then some, which is occasionally "just because", but mostly to sight in and hunt.
It's not indignation.
If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

 

[Deleted member 118572]

Well said ! Many smart folks in NY, like the million that never registered their ARs.

 

[NYHUNTER444]

This was posted on the PV Facebook page a few minutes ago...

PRIMERS!!!
OK, now that I have your attention I'd like to share two phone calls I have received this week. Both phone calls were from ammo manufacturers who have a "surplus" of primers. Now, before you go all ape s... on some of the big name folks out there I'll let you know these aren't the big name folks. But, these folks have obviously been resourceful and got their hands on some domestic and foreign primers. In the first case the OEM had 4 million primers he was willing to part with at the amazing price of $0.17 per primer. The second OEM was willing to part with all 2.4 million primers he had for a price of $0.20 per primer. Honestly, we could have probably purchased them all and sold them all and made a profit. So, you ask "Why didn't you?" This answer is two fold
(1) We would sell every dang one but at the same time be absolutely crucified by customers and the shooting community for "gouging".
(2) I believe in the American spirit of capitalism. I admire these folks for being resourceful and sourcing these primers and trying to make a buck. However, I don't agree with how it's happening. I won't be the source of their profiteering. I'd rather just sell the minimal primers we're getting from the manufacturers themselves and be able to charge what I believe is a fair price.
Now, don't get me wrong. If someone came to us at what we believe to be a fair price and I could keep the prices somewhat reasonable I'd do it in a heartbeat. But, not at those prices.
But, I do ask for you guys to keep this in mind when you're seeing what you believe to be outrageous prices. Just because the retailer is selling at a high price doesn't mean they are gouging. Everyone in the industry is scrounging to find inventory to be able to sell. Sometimes we find the inventory and take a risk by buying it at a higher price just so we have something available to sell.
Just wanted to throw out an example so you all can see what's going on. What you see is not always what is truly happening.

FWIW, I just got 1000 Winchester large / magnum pistol primers from my local FFL for $50.
That's the most reasonable price I've been able to find for almost a year.
I got them home and realized I still had 700...
Now I guess I could sell them for even 15 cents a primer and triple my money, but if I was going to sell them, I'd sell them for what I paid.
Thankfully I don't have to rely on the firearms industry to make a living and I do support my locals, but I won't pay over inflated prices regardless of who is responsible.

 

[NYHUNTER444]

Well said ! Many smart folks in NY, like the million that never registered their ARs.

We don't have any of those in NY. They were all destroyed in boating accidents.

 

[Deleted member 118572]

What an *** thing to say. What about the 7 plus million new firearm owners? Should they have planned ahead? What about the persons whom bought new calibers of which require a different powder, primer, or brass to go shooting. Should they have planned ahead? This is just straight up bragging from someone who never shared their toys as a kid.

The new guys that I know had zero problem getting ammo because the gun sellers held back ammo to sell them.

Recent gun show. Well over 1000 new guns for sale. ALL dealers had ammo to sell IF you bought a gun.

Waiting for your next exercise in ad hominem posts.

 

[PNWdude67]

Cannot believe the whining from those who never learned to plan ahead.

Bought mine during Obama days for $35.00/ 1000.

Well, good for you. I bought 20 bricks last September for 27.95/1000 at sportsman's warehouse before this current situation went bananas so you got hosed by "planning ahead".

 

[Deleted member 118572]

We don't have any of those in NY. They were all destroyed in boating accidents.

And here I thought they were all melted down to make a statue of Cuomo !

 

[Deleted member 118572]

Well, good for you. I bought 20 bricks last September for 27.95/1000 at sportsman's warehouse before this current situation went bananas so you got hosed by "planning ahead".

With your socialist sales tax you paid more.

 

[Gater]

This was posted on the PV Facebook page a few minutes ago...

PRIMERS!!!
OK, now that I have your attention I'd like to share two phone calls I have received this week. Both phone calls were from ammo manufacturers who have a "surplus" of primers. Now, before you go all ape s... on some of the big name folks out there I'll let you know these aren't the big name folks. But, these folks have obviously been resourceful and got their hands on some domestic and foreign primers. In the first case the OEM had 4 million primers he was willing to part with at the amazing price of $0.17 per primer. The second OEM was willing to part with all 2.4 million primers he had for a price of $0.20 per primer. Honestly, we could have probably purchased them all and sold them all and made a profit. So, you ask "Why didn't you?" This answer is two fold
(1) We would sell every dang one but at the same time be absolutely crucified by customers and the shooting community for "gouging".
(2) I believe in the American spirit of capitalism. I admire these folks for being resourceful and sourcing these primers and trying to make a buck. However, I don't agree with how it's happening. I won't be the source of their profiteering. I'd rather just sell the minimal primers we're getting from the manufacturers themselves and be able to charge what I believe is a fair price.
Now, don't get me wrong. If someone came to us at what we believe to be a fair price and I could keep the prices somewhat reasonable I'd do it in a heartbeat. But, not at those prices.
But, I do ask for you guys to keep this in mind when you're seeing what you believe to be outrageous prices. Just because the retailer is selling at a high price doesn't mean they are gouging. Everyone in the industry is scrounging to find inventory to be able to sell. Sometimes we find the inventory and take a risk by buying it at a higher price just so we have something available to sell.
Just wanted to throw out an example so you all can see what's going on. What you see is not always what is truly happening.

That didn't last I went on powder valley no primers

 

[Gater]

hoarders are not the problem. greed is the problem. you have big box stores like Cabalas that let there employees buy it up just to run to GB and it never gets to the general public, there was a huge blow up at a Cabalas in my area when employees were caught loading there cars out the back door
even the local mom & pop shops aren't any better here. if you don't personally know the owner you are out of luck.

solution. hackers destroy GB if they don't have an outlet to rip people off then they wont be buying and then it will hit the shelves for the general public

I know gander mountain did this before they went under I had a couple guys offered up .22 ammo they got from gander and they where employees I chose to say no I refuse to support people that do this yea I might have to wait but oh well

 

[nickjandrews]

This was posted on the PV Facebook page a few minutes ago...

PRIMERS!!!
OK, now that I have your attention I'd like to share two phone calls I have received this week. Both phone calls were from ammo manufacturers who have a "surplus" of primers. Now, before you go all ape s... on some of the big name folks out there I'll let you know these aren't the big name folks. But, these folks have obviously been resourceful and got their hands on some domestic and foreign primers. In the first case the OEM had 4 million primers he was willing to part with at the amazing price of $0.17 per primer. The second OEM was willing to part with all 2.4 million primers he had for a price of $0.20 per primer. Honestly, we could have probably purchased them all and sold them all and made a profit. So, you ask "Why didn't you?" This answer is two fold
(1) We would sell every dang one but at the same time be absolutely crucified by customers and the shooting community for "gouging".
(2) I believe in the American spirit of capitalism. I admire these folks for being resourceful and sourcing these primers and trying to make a buck. However, I don't agree with how it's happening. I won't be the source of their profiteering. I'd rather just sell the minimal primers we're getting from the manufacturers themselves and be able to charge what I believe is a fair price.
Now, don't get me wrong. If someone came to us at what we believe to be a fair price and I could keep the prices somewhat reasonable I'd do it in a heartbeat. But, not at those prices.
But, I do ask for you guys to keep this in mind when you're seeing what you believe to be outrageous prices. Just because the retailer is selling at a high price doesn't mean they are gouging. Everyone in the industry is scrounging to find inventory to be able to sell. Sometimes we find the inventory and take a risk by buying it at a higher price just so we have something available to sell.
Just wanted to throw out an example so you all can see what's going on. What you see is not always what is truly happening.

Well, I was at Home Repot a couple weeks ago, and the bastiches had a 250' roll of 12-2 Romex at $122. I had bought one less than a month earlier at $80 and was bitching then that it had gone up $5 in one week! And had considered getting the 1000' roll at that time. Wish I had... A buddy is building a house east of Albuquerque and luckily had bought a significant portion of the lumber months ago but he's still getting screwed on the rest.