memtb
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Is there anything that you do for "pure pleasure"……other than be argumentative? If you have a hobby……I'm pretty sure that it costs more than it makes and/or takes time away from family! memtb
Will reloading disapear with the new too lazy to do it generation
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Is there anything that you do for "pure pleasure"……other than be argumentative? If you have a hobby……I'm pretty sure that it costs more than it makes and/or takes time away from family! memtb
adam32+P
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No, but other than being "lazy", I'm also a realist and a lot of times people cherry pick information to try and prove a point. Is reloading really "cheaper" than buying factory ammo? Perhaps yes... especially if you don't factor in ALL the costs associated.
I do reload, is it really worth it? To me, not really anymore except for cartridges I can't get factory ammo for. It's not enjoyable at this point in life, and for years all the hoarders ruined it for everyone.
How many guys reload just to get away from their family and then just stock pile the ammo and never actually shoot it?
But to continue being called lazy, dumb, worthless etc gets quite old.
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Adam, I would never call you lazy, dumb or worthless. Every generation has hustlers, workers and lazy people. It's not generational. If it was then my generation of hippies would have condemned us all. Have a good day and happy shooting.
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Man, It's excusable to not like being called lazy.
But man 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Just remember a lot of folks here are one generation removed from the "Greatest Generation". People that gave for no other reason than they knew it was right.
Man I don't know who is paying for what, but if some of our earnings go to help older people - that feels good. And yea some may be wasted, but thank God not all.
It's funny how something as simple as reloading can make us say Divisive things.
I'm as guilty as anyone.
Man just think about the good you know you do. And build upon in.
As I said before, there is no lazy generation
It's all goons be alright.
I just wish this thread had been titled "I hope some of the younger generation can find the time to reload"
memtb
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I agree with most of you post, and vehemently disagree with your position in previous posts!
That said, not everyone attempts to shoot "near match" precision out to 1K yrds and beyond!
For these people, shooting a commercially produced cartridge …..Lee still makes the Lee Classic Loader in many popular cartridges. For a very minimal expenditure…..very accurate ammunition can be produced!
Is it fast, is it "boutique"- not hardly! But quality reloads can be produced!
From the Lee Loader, an individual can slowly over the years accumulate equipment sufficiently fast, while producing accurate ammo!
But, much like young folks of today wanting a "starter home" equivalent to or better than the home that required a working career for their parents to achieve…… they think they should start-out with the top of the line equipment!
The idea of "baby steps" is a completely foreign concept! memtb
adam32+P
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Completely agree, and sadly I think we are to blame for that. We, as in online forums, "influencers", youtube experts, podcasts etc...because unless someone is using an Area419 press, SAC dies, high BC bullets, CNC brass and RL26 then everything else is just junk according to all the "experts" and you will never be able to kill a critter.
Same with rifles, unless you're running a BAT action with a Proof PXT barrel topped with a ZCO then you should just stay home and not even bother going deer hunting with your Rem 700 and Leupold.
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You saw my post where I showed what my dad started with. Nothing but a nutcracker hand dies and an old powder dispenser. He had a card that listed how to adjust the slide to get the desired charge weights for each powder. No scale and that all he had except for maybe a wooden loading block and a deburring tool. Eventually, he upgraded to a RCBS JR2 press with RCBS dies. Later bought a RCBS 5-10 scale with powder trickler. There was nothing wrong with his reloads and they served us well for our hunting and he did not invest a fortune on his limited salary. I was fortunate enough to inherit his tools when he passed away and I still use them although I have made my own improvements from time to time. I was lucky that I didn't have the initial investment. Today I have a RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme, mostly Redding and Forster dies, an electronic powder dispenser, and the Sinclair / Wilson trimmer. I didn't make these investments all at one time. I have been at this a little while myself now and I've added these pieces over the years. The point is that you don't have to have the best of everything to make quality reloads.
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I don't own any custom rifles/components because I tend to go the economy route (own a lot of Savages, older ones).
But in a way I'm indebted to the folks who buy the custom stuff because rifle manufacturers compete against the custom stuff, so must continually up their offerings.
I see it all as a good mix.
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For the record, I am not saying all or even most. This is no umbrella that covers a whole generation. It is not directed at anyone in particular.
There is a fair sized portion of this latest generation that are interested and involved in more non productive activities that are of an addictive nature.
Phones, video games, and drugs, Even gangs. I basically lost my son to video games at age 7 with the help of an enabling mother. I tried everything I could to get a handle on that to the point of throwing his play station off the dock at my house. His mother bought him another one the next day. He is absolutely addicted to the point of needing help. The first step in dealing with addiction is admitting you have a problem. He can't seem to grasp that he has a problem. This has led him to social problems. It also took that precious time when a kid should be using the learning tools that god put in them at birth. But I get so many excuses that it's about to drive me crazy. He has all the answers. I'm not perfect either. Lord knows that's right.
Is he lazy? Yes. He can do well if you take his phone from him. But the addiction is pulling at him even then. He wants to be home where he has access. He can't think ahead and anticipate what is next and work efficiently. All of my efforts have driven a wedge between us. I've prayed for a change. He has 2 more semesters left in college. He is 24. Time to grow up. He has good grades though and a high GPA. He is smart, a good kid. He will do what I tell him to do as far as work! But he's not going to look around or notice things that need doing. He's smart enough to convince himself he has all the right answers. When he finishes school he will have more bills to pay. And HE is going to have to pay them. But enough about all of that. Sorry for the testimony or confession! He is not alone. There are 18-19 year olds out there that can't even pump their own gas. Their eyes were glued to a phone while a parent pumped gas or did other necessary things instead of watching and learning those little life lessons.
Drugs I won't preach on that. Much. You can't drive down the highway or go in a store without smelling weed. I can't even run the boat downriver at 5:00am to set out decoys without smelling lots of weed. This group is 16-25. My partners have been hunting under the mentoring of my buddy Russell that died last year since they were we teenagers and are low 30s. I'm the only old coon left so they fell right in line. Lord help them
Employers are having a very tough time hiring people to work. Many don't want to work, others don't know how, some will steal you blind, others can't pass a drug test. One example. Our town water department has been running adds since December that they have 3-4 positions that need to be filled. They've had 6 applicants during that time. Yep, only 6. The first had no drivers license, one promising 19 year old had never operated a lawnmower or weed eater, chainsaw etc. You can hire him. But you either have to baby sit or he's gonna tear a lot of stuff up before he gets it. That's tough on an employer. 3rd one showed up in pajamas. They hired the 4th one. He was there long enough to be on standby with a truck for weekend call. He burned over 300 gallons of gas in two days in the truck. He didn't know the truck had gps on it. He had driven a huge 1/4 state loop putting gas not only in THE truck but his friends and girlfriends vehicles as well. They never even prosecuted him. He'd just get a slap on the hand anyway. And the county will never recoup that money. The fifth and most promising couldn't pass a drug screen. The sixth had a license but no car. He asked if they could come pick him up and take him home everyday, which is admirable, but they couldn't do that. They have no one to replace the backhoe driver that's been there 30 years. He's past ready to retire. Because no applicant can operate one.
I'm not saying all young folks are lazy, and tuned out. But most do take longer to truly mature these days and the workforce is in worse shape than I have ever seen it. Almost every older generation has said this of the next generation or generations after them. Cold fact is they're telling the truth. It certainly hasn't gotten better
There is a fair sized portion of this latest generation that are interested and involved in more non productive activities that are of an addictive nature.
Phones, video games, and drugs, Even gangs. I basically lost my son to video games at age 7 with the help of an enabling mother. I tried everything I could to get a handle on that to the point of throwing his play station off the dock at my house. His mother bought him another one the next day. He is absolutely addicted to the point of needing help. The first step in dealing with addiction is admitting you have a problem. He can't seem to grasp that he has a problem. This has led him to social problems. It also took that precious time when a kid should be using the learning tools that god put in them at birth. But I get so many excuses that it's about to drive me crazy. He has all the answers. I'm not perfect either. Lord knows that's right.
Is he lazy? Yes. He can do well if you take his phone from him. But the addiction is pulling at him even then. He wants to be home where he has access. He can't think ahead and anticipate what is next and work efficiently. All of my efforts have driven a wedge between us. I've prayed for a change. He has 2 more semesters left in college. He is 24. Time to grow up. He has good grades though and a high GPA. He is smart, a good kid. He will do what I tell him to do as far as work! But he's not going to look around or notice things that need doing. He's smart enough to convince himself he has all the right answers. When he finishes school he will have more bills to pay. And HE is going to have to pay them. But enough about all of that. Sorry for the testimony or confession! He is not alone. There are 18-19 year olds out there that can't even pump their own gas. Their eyes were glued to a phone while a parent pumped gas or did other necessary things instead of watching and learning those little life lessons.
Drugs I won't preach on that. Much. You can't drive down the highway or go in a store without smelling weed. I can't even run the boat downriver at 5:00am to set out decoys without smelling lots of weed. This group is 16-25. My partners have been hunting under the mentoring of my buddy Russell that died last year since they were we teenagers and are low 30s. I'm the only old coon left so they fell right in line. Lord help them
Employers are having a very tough time hiring people to work. Many don't want to work, others don't know how, some will steal you blind, others can't pass a drug test. One example. Our town water department has been running adds since December that they have 3-4 positions that need to be filled. They've had 6 applicants during that time. Yep, only 6. The first had no drivers license, one promising 19 year old had never operated a lawnmower or weed eater, chainsaw etc. You can hire him. But you either have to baby sit or he's gonna tear a lot of stuff up before he gets it. That's tough on an employer. 3rd one showed up in pajamas. They hired the 4th one. He was there long enough to be on standby with a truck for weekend call. He burned over 300 gallons of gas in two days in the truck. He didn't know the truck had gps on it. He had driven a huge 1/4 state loop putting gas not only in THE truck but his friends and girlfriends vehicles as well. They never even prosecuted him. He'd just get a slap on the hand anyway. And the county will never recoup that money. The fifth and most promising couldn't pass a drug screen. The sixth had a license but no car. He asked if they could come pick him up and take him home everyday, which is admirable, but they couldn't do that. They have no one to replace the backhoe driver that's been there 30 years. He's past ready to retire. Because no applicant can operate one.
I'm not saying all young folks are lazy, and tuned out. But most do take longer to truly mature these days and the workforce is in worse shape than I have ever seen it. Almost every older generation has said this of the next generation or generations after them. Cold fact is they're telling the truth. It certainly hasn't gotten better
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Yes they are and that's one reason I am reloading. Because of my physical limitations the only activities that interest me that I can do anymore are limited hunting, limited fishing, and limited shooting. Plus limited reloading. I'm am a nationally certified Level 2 Sporting Clays Instructor and shooting is a big part of that. I got into shotgun reloading originally to load reduced recoil loads for kids back before they became more accessible. I quickly learned those loads were mighty effective. But even more important, shooting is the one thing my son and I can do together that he is interested in so that's common ground and he's getting interested in reloading. So that is time with family. You don't need a fortune worth of reloading equipment to load premium ammo. I've searched for used equipment and still use some equipment I was given by a mentor. And I'm prepared to mentor people that want to learn today. It hasn't been cheap in some respects but I'd spend every dime again.
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Red you can always fall back on emergency culinary cooking school for less sought after species! Might even include roadkill! You're gonna be fine brother! Just hang on to the rest of your appendages! You're the Salt of the Earth my friend. There should be more people just like you. The world would be a better place.
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I'm going to say thanks?
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I don't recall calling you lazy dumb or worthless. You do seem to have a problem with my cost examples I supplied but I would think any person that wasn't given every piece of equipment to do the job would know there's a buy-in but that cost is largely up to the person buying-in. No. I do not believe in the Reloading Fairy! I've told many folks. Come to my house, we can use my equipment. I won't reload your ammo but I will teach you how and help you do it. Just pay for the components you use.
I I need no lectures on family time or what I do, or work. I've been working since I was 7. Like Red, paying into Social Security since I turned 13. No ones paying for my social security. I paid for it. Likely won't live long enough to see much of it. I've had accidents and parts don't work, other parts are worn completely out but I still try to keep going. Red has donated body parts to his business so he knows a bit about blood sweat and tears.
Sorry if I allegedly sugar coated my numbers. I AS$ UMED most folks on a shooting and reloading sight would know that there was a buy-in price. When someone As$ U ME s, it winds up making an As$ out of You and ME I'll be more careful next time. You might want to be careful too. Don't take the words "most" and "some" as a personal insult. Most of these "old folks"don't need a lecture. They learned the hard way a long time ago and have the aches, pains, and wisdom to show for it !
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Sporting clays is the most fun you can have with a shotgun, in my opinion. One of those things that will humble a guy real fast!!!
