Will reloading disapear with the new too lazy to do it generation

I intend to leave my son set up with guns, loaders, powder, primers, projectiles, everything needed to load and shoot shotgun, rifle, and pistol. Unfortunately he has never gotten into reloading. I do hope that he does. I load for everything. Have for years.
I still think that enough folks shooting and looking for absolute precision will continue to reload.
With so many kids today the thumb toys ruin them and basically deprogram what the good lord gave them to learn with in their developmental years. Curiosity, observation, asking questions, wanting to participate in endeavors such as reloading. The phone is easier, gives immediate gratification, and is highly addictive. Used right it can be a great tool for learning. Used wrong, it can ruin their young minds.
I do hope they will continue to reload, prices are getting ridiculous. But so is factory ammo.

MarkInPA said:

Just something to add to the discussion that might be relevant. How easy is it for you to do your range shooting? For me, I have to travel about a 15 to 20 minute drive and I consider myself lucky. I don't have far to travel but, still, it feels like a planned event trying to get all my gear together and make the trip. For some of you, I am sure all you need to do is walk out your back door. How easy is it for most people to find a place to shoot? Just curious what you might think and how this may play into the OP original question.

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Fortunately I live in BuM Fire Egypt and can basically walk out of my back door to one range. I have about a 6 mile drive to shoot 1500 plus. Best thing, no range officer, no rubber heads beside me, just me by myself. I do agree with your assessment. I wouldn't drive 1.5 hours in one direction to shoot. That's why I live where I do. But some folks do have to drive more, and that certainly can weigh into decision making.

dogz said:

Median price single fam home in the USA is 398K, median home income is 84K.

Entry level home ownership is still in reach and doable for young people who make good choices with their college or post high school debt load. As well for those post high school who immerse themselves into a trade. Make good financial choices, don't get into a bunch of uneeded debt etc...

Kind of like when I moved to Montana 48 years ago (this August 21st). I told my Dad I wanted to buy a new Bronco, he told me you're 18, have no money and no debt (keep the no debt part intact) and buy a 66 Dodge for the $350 I had. Then later you can work up to a new truck if the finances follow.

Where I'm going with the car story is the young people sure can buy a condo for starters, then work up to a town house or an entry level single family home.

I've worked with young people on this for 21 years, it's still out there for those who build a plan and work a plan!

Like I tell my Grandkids, life is basically easy as long as you have discipline, respect and restraint.

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And then cash for clunkers came out and got rid of all the old Buicks with 3800 motor that had 100k of miles at least left in them and you could get for under 2500.

I had 4 buicks through all my schooling and didn't spend 8k total for them. Man i loved those things.

Bigskygyd said:

I looked at the math when I was working as a LEO making $8.50/hr (I started at $5.40/hr) and working 2 part time jobs a day to support my wife and I as I put her through 2 years of college, 4 years of med school, and 4 years of residency in the 1980s. I was lucky to get 4 hours of sleep most days. We were able to finally buy a home ($75K, two bedroom/one bath built in the 1950s) when she started residency and started getting paid $19K/year (working 100-120hr weeks). I never thought to blame my parents or their generation for working very hard and doing their best to raise me (one of 7 kids). I always figured I'd have to work hard, sacrifice a lot, be disciplined with my money, and hopefully wind up successful some day but there were no guarantees. Most of my "boomer" friends are the same. Quit blaming past generations for your situation. Take responsibility for yourself, put the phone down, quit spending money you don't have, and work hard. Every generation has had to do it. You are no different.

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The frustration comes from having boomer parents who could have helped out - or planned better to help their kids.

My neighbor is a professor. He drives an 80s volkswagon car as a daily driver. Put his kids through school and law school.

This whole blaming each other as who does or doesn't deserve what doesn't help anyone.

Anyone can get a savage- ruger-tikka and have s solid set up for pretty cheap.

Then there are the boutique rifle systems (gunw#rks) where you simply pay and have a rifle set up ready to shoot. Good buddy has a 28 nosler than he's shot 200 times. He 51 out of 53 shots with it on game out to 550 yards. Huge time saver for him and he's got complete confidence in it.

Seems like groups of friends see who's year it is to draw a special tag and there's one buddy with a true long range rifle.

Every one in my family knows it they ever need a long range bomber who to ask....

nwmnbowhunter said:

My neighbor is a professor. He drives an 80s volkswagon car as a daily driver. Put his kids through school and law school.

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I'm very curious as to the political leanings of he and his offspring! I'd put money that they're leftest! I may lose that bet……however, I feel pretty secure with my position!

College educated fools and the"mental midgets" that are draw into the fallacy of socialism/kommunism…are those that threaten the sovereignty of the USA! memtb

memtb said:

I'm very curious as to the political leanings of he and his offspring! I'd put money that they're leftest! I may lose that bet……however, I feel pretty secure with my position!

College educated fools and the"mental midgets" that are draw into the fallacy of socialism/kommunism…are those that threaten the sovereignty of the USA! memtb

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Grew up in Montana. Great guy and great kids. Not leftists

nwmnbowhunter said:

Grew up in Montana. Great guy and great kids. Not leftists

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I guess knowing that …..that's a bet worth losing! He and his kids are rare among the college educated! memtb

adam32+P said:

I know 50-80 year olds that do that same thing...shoot a paper plate the day before season and it's "good enough for a deer".

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But it is good enough. If a long shot is 100y, and its more likely inside 60... which was the case for us growing up, if you can hit a pie plate at 100, it is a dead deer. In reality they dont actually need to be better to get it done.

Hawkeye09 said:

I reload to save money. I shoot a 7mm Weatherby and in Canada a box of Weatherby brand ammunition can go for more than $150 a box. I can load a round for $4.58 compared to over $7.00 for factory ammunition. My labour is free. Now...my 45-70 I'm not saving money, my 22 hornet I'm not saving money, and my 22-250 I sure as heck ain't saving money. I think it depends on what you're shooting and what the availability is for that chambering.

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I also shoot a weatherby cartridge that I'm sure is probably that expensive per box. Idk, ive never bought a box of ammo for it. But I would have never chosen than chambering if I didnt reload. The reloading caused the rifle(or more accurately barrel) purchase. Not the other way around.
Reloading causes me to spend more on guns and reloading gear. Not less.
2 or my 4 hunting rifles I would never consider if I didnt reload.

memtb said:

Average means adding the highs and the "lows", divide by two! Meaning, there are a lot of lows well below that $541K value! And many jobs at or above that $31 average ……you just may to get your hands dirty and relocate to make that money!




While I agree that we "boomers" have helped create this disaster ….. we (government) could have wealth beyond belief, if we eliminated all of the "entitlement" programs given to people that are anything but entitled to them!




(?) are we talking about government pensions or private sector pensions……both have gotten out of control primarily thanks to unions.

If Social Security is considered a form of pension……if the present monthly payments were to remain as they are…..it would have billions of $ in excess. However, well meaning criminals (politicians) chose to give it to programs for the (mostly) undeserving!

When was it someone else's responsibility to provide for our future…..this is something that a responsible adult does for themselves. Eliminate the "want to haves" keep only the "must haves" …..invest/save the money saved for a better future when older!

So yes, we're responsible by allowing the politicians unbridled control of our lives and money and the school systems for the lowered standards making job qualifications near unreachable for most.

But, in site of these things, many people do create a future for themselves and maybe even leave something for their children! Something very few "boomers" received " from their parents……those "boomers", that had everything so easy as compared to the youth of today!

memtb

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Like the SNAP program tied to the farm bill! Most of them can't manage any money even given to them at the tax payer expense.

Our job to teach the newbies. Just like my grandfather taught me. If you don't show someone they won't know the fun behind reloading your own. Maybe not to save a lot of money but being able to say I made that and it works is enough for me.

memtb said:

I'd probably do exactly as I did when I was 14…..buy a Lee (Wack a Mole) Loader ! memtb

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I started close to 70 years ago with the Lee Loader in 257Robts. I used the "dipper" that came it and a plastic headed hammer that got replaced on a regular basis. Woodchucks and whitetails never knew what equipment I used. I still have several "whack-a-mole" kits in various calibers, that haven't seen activity in 50+ years.

Sold a Ruger Precision 22LR to a dad for his thirteen year old this past weekend with scope and mounts, the youngster wanted to put it all together so I broke out the torque wrench and tools. Starting with action screws and pic rail, moved on to to rings and scope, stock adjustment, eye relief and bore sighting. He did everything himself with a little input from me about torque values and why we do things in a specific order. He actually understood and asked questions when he needed to. When we were done, his dad asked about loading their own ammo as something they would like to get into, I smiled at the sincere interest this young man showed in his new rifle and now loading their own ammo. They asked if I would teach them how to do it well and I heartily agreed. I'll go through what's practical and where to spend money wisely, I'll go to their home and show them how to set up a good loading room and tutor them through the process until they are competent to do it safely.
This got started when the Dad and son went to Ox Ranch in Texas to drive tanks, shoot M2 machine guns and just have a lot of fun. A friend of mine, Will Rollins runs a long range shooting school at Ox Ranch and was conducting a class and asked the thirteen year old if he wanted to shoot a few rounds at 600, he showed him some fundamentals and the kid hit 600 on the first round, second and third as well, they moved to 1000, hit first, second and third, moved to a mile and hit first, second and third. The Dad had no idea that he had a natural shooter in his house, Will told him that he should start developing his skills with a decent 22 LR which is where I came into the picture. I was pretty stoked to see a family that really wants to pursue shooting as a family sport, they are sincere, teachable and willing to invest time and money to see where it goes. I'm privileged to help.
There is hope!

todd c said:

Like the SNAP program tied to the farm bill! Most of them can't manage any money even given to them at the tax payer expense.

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From what I've seen that money is for lottery tickets. At least here anyway. The people with SNAP have much more food in the buggy than I can afford. And it's nice to see those groceries stored properly in their Late Model Range Rover for the trip home.