The old 25-06 Remington and 270 Winchester shot flatter than 6.5 CM

HobieH3 said:

Long time listener, first time caller.
Why do these threads always degenerate into calm, rational discussions about ballistics? ;P

I had high hopes for the .308 vs .30-06, but...

Y'all realize this is the internet, right? That sort of behavior has no place here.

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There you go, no more logic, just his Feelings

BLK said:

I have killed elk, black bear and mule and whitetails with my 25-06 and my 7MM mag and I think the 6.5 creedmore needs to fade away. I do not think it can compare to the 25-06 at 500 yards and I haven't even looked up the ballistics tables. Just my feel. I have dropped bear, elk and deer in their tracks or within 25 yards with my 25-06. It is an excellent caliber. Ane the 6.5 Creed more isn't even in the same league with the 7MM mag.

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basinman said:

I went from using a 300 WSM to the 6.5 CM for whitetails when hunting in Texas. I liked the DRT on whitetails that the 300 with 150 Nosler Silver Ballistic Tips had but I really like the smooth shooting of the 6.5 and it kills quickly with 143 ELD-X bullets.

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What is smooth shooting? I am guessing light recoil?

WildBillG said:

Tell ne why we need 3 or 4 cartridges that are equal. the 6.5x55 is way older does what ever the others do. The original 6.5x55 were evem designed to shoot 160 grain bullets.
As for the 25-06 there are heavy more bc friendly bullets on the market now. Given time this craze will catch on for how long only time will tell.

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+1 on the swede! My most accurate rig

WildBillG said:

Tell ne why we need 3 or 4 cartridges that are equal. the 6.5x55 is way older does what ever the others do. The original 6.5x55 were evem designed to shoot 160 grain bullets.
As for the 25-06 there are heavy more bc friendly bullets on the market now. Given time this craze will catch on for how long only time will tell.

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So I can spend more money on guns instead of throwing it away on clothes and handbags for my wife. Everytime I buy another rifle I tell my wife Its like taking money out of one pocket and putting it into another - her clothes and purses are like flushing it down the toilet. Lol

Mach 1 said:

With every gun I've ever owned the 215 Berger's would out shoot any of the eld hornady bullets. I gave them a good chance but they just don't. The 215 Berger's only downfall is the fact that the seating depth has to be spot on every round or the groups open up fast.

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I sent 700 of the 215's down range while constantly tweaking the load trying to improve on the .5 to .75 MOA groups I was getting but to no avail. Took me less than 50 of the 212 ELD-X to find a load shooting at .3 MOA consistently that fit the mag with out rubbing up the front. The 225gr were similar but I just rebarreled my .300 last night so I'll need to rework my loads.

BLK said:

I have killed elk, black bear and mule and whitetails with my 25-06 and my 7MM mag and I think the 6.5 creedmore needs to fade away. I do not think it can compare to the 25-06 at 500 yards and I haven't even looked up the ballistics tables. Just my feel. I have dropped bear, elk and deer in their tracks or within 25 yards with my 25-06. It is an excellent caliber. Ane the 6.5 Creed more isn't even in the same league with the 7MM mag.

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At 500 the Creed will drift less and retain more energy. The 25-06 get there flatter.
If you all want a fair comparison between the 25-06 and a 6.5, Compare a 6.5-06 or 6.5x284 to it.

predator 22 said:

At 500 the Creed will drift less and retain more energy. The 25-06 get there flatter.
If you all want a fair comparison between the 25-06 and a 6.5, Compare a 6.5-06 or 6.5x284 to it.

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What is the impact vel comparison with the 25-06 and the creed?

RockyMtnMT said:

What is the impact vel comparison with the 25-06 and the creed?

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Check out post #102. look at the federal ammo link.

Barrelnut said:

Check out post #102. look at the federal ammo link.

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That makes me work for it...

For what it's worth, From my load data Impact velocity at based on Muzzle 3100FPS 115gr 25-06. At 500 yards 2300fps
Muzzle 2800 fps Creed 140gr at 500 yards is 2256 fps.

Barrelnut said:

Check out post #102. look at the federal ammo link.

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Another conformation that the 10" twist in the .25's severely holds them back.

For those that say there are no good bullets for the .25 bore, there is good bullets, just no rifles that can shoot them.

While I'm not a quarter bore fan, I see things changing in the future for them.

RockyMtnMT said:

Another conformation that the 10" twist in the .25's severely holds them back.

For those that say there are no good bullets for the .25 bore, there is good bullets, just no rifles that can shoot them.

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I don't understand these arguments about caliber. Caliber dosen't matter at all. If we are talking about ballistics there are only two factors that matter: ballistic coefficient and velocity. If you're trying to compare a low bc high velocity round to a high bc low velocity round you're always going to have a trade off. At some point the high bc bullet will over take the low bc bullet. The question then becomes, is the range where the two projectiles cross relevant.

FIGJAM said:

What is smooth shooting? I am guessing light recoil?

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Yes, light recoil, not that the 300 has heavy recoil. I like them both but will now use the 6.5 for deer and the 300 for larger game.