Barrel life's typically measured in how many rounds it goes through before accuracy degrades to a noticable point. Those of us who shoot better will detect accuracy degradation faster than the less skilled ones. How may time units between the first and last shot if it's life doesn't matter. Rapid fire with max loads may wear it out faster; in fewer rounds. Which is what I'm referring to; rounds fired not days/weeks/months/years owned.
Schneider Rifle Barrels?
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Popapi
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Exactly!
I know exactly what your refering to, and I'd BET the farm if one shot Gary's tubes along side of a Obey, Rock, Brux, Pederson, Lilja, Pacnor, Hart, Bartlein, etc same number of times and loads the Schneider WOULDN'T wear out TWICE as fast, is what I'm refering to ;-) .
joe0121
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I used on off the Back of the USS Duluth coming home from Iraq it was on a M40a4 sniper rifle that the team leader let me shoot and taught me some tricks on in return for me saving one of his guys from getting NJP'ed over something dumb. In any event they are wicked accurate and from what i understand you almost couldn't shoot one out if your tried. I know i fed it 30 rounds as fast as I could move the bolt. The Marine Corps uses them for a reason.
Popapi
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WELL said Joe and THANKS for ALL you and the Guys do!!!!!!!
All I can say is that most folks shooting Schneider barrels (or any other make for that matter) don't shoot them accurate enough to tell when their accuracy drops off by 25%. When new and with good bullets loaded into properly readied cases of 30 caliber or smaller, they'll stay under 1/4th MOA at 100 yards from a good rifle shot in free recoil (untouched except for a finger tip on the trigger). I doubt more than 5% of people shooting them do that well. If one can't shoot a barrel sub 1/4th MOA, they're hard pressed to tell when it opens up to even 3/8ths MOA.
A 1/2 MOA rifle/ammo combination will appear to have twice to three times the barrel life of a 1/4th MOA one. 3/4ths MOA rifle/ammo ones may well seem to last forever.
A 1/2 MOA rifle/ammo combination will appear to have twice to three times the barrel life of a 1/4th MOA one. 3/4ths MOA rifle/ammo ones may well seem to last forever.
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joe0121
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Interesting post. I think people are too caught up with this idea of BEST I choose XXX brand because it is the best and everything else is junk. When in reality we live in a golden age where we have several high quality options to choose from this goes for barrels, optics, custom actions and even off the shelf rifles.
joe0121
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Thank you.
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I don't think barrels and actions have improved at all over what folks used 40 to 50 years ago to attain best accuracy. Best accuracy attained then's somewhat better than what folks get today for 27 and larger calibers. A few have come close to what Hart barrels and pre-'64 classic Win. 70 trued-up actions produced with the best bullets available, but none have bettered them.
If anyone knows of a modern barrel and action that's shot 7 or more consecutive 10-shot groups at 600 yards all under 1.5 inches averaging 1.2 inches, let me know. Then I'll concede that they're better these days.
Jerry M
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Last I read David Tubbs uses Schneider barrel exclusively; and has done very well with them.
Buddy of mine had a medium heavy barreled .243 built for his daughter. She has shot it for several years without wearing it out yet. He did have a top named gunsmith put it together and it shoots great.
IMHO there are several barrel manufactures that make top notch products. However, problems can be induced by poor insulation. While no product is flawless, Schneider are top notch.
Buddy of mine had a medium heavy barreled .243 built for his daughter. She has shot it for several years without wearing it out yet. He did have a top named gunsmith put it together and it shoots great.
IMHO there are several barrel manufactures that make top notch products. However, problems can be induced by poor insulation. While no product is flawless, Schneider are top notch.
David didn't always use Schneider barrels. He started out with Hart barrels years ago when I oft times shot with him. He switched to Schneiders years ago when Hart wouldn't make barrels rifled to his specs. When he and I were on a big team some years ago, he told me he accepts their barrels not lasting as long but liked the rifling they made for him.
Of course he does well with them. But they don't shoot any more accurate than other top quality barrels. They just don't last as long.
Without knowing the accuracy she attains and how many rounds a year are shot, that's a meaningless statement. At 200 rounds a year it might last for 10 years if she shoots no worse than 1/4th MOA with it. If her best is 3/4ths MOA, that barrel may last for 40 years at 200 rounds a year.
Gary may make some great barrels, but I'll never find out first hand. I called him about a barrel for a 338 build earlier this year. He couldn't tell me or even guess how much different contours would weigh. He did tell me that a fluted XX contour would weigh less than a non fluted XX contour. He is about 60mi away from me, and I wanted to have something on my gun made in state. He also told me he only makes twists is full in increments; either 1 in 9" or 1 in 10", nothing in between. I told him my smith recommended a 1.9.3-9.5. He laughed it off and poked at the smith a little bit.
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I'd do more than just pick at that smith a little bit. If he doesn't know how useless it is to spec twists finer than whole inch units, I doubt I'd let him touch my rifles.
There's a short list of questions I encourage folks to ask their 'smith before they fit a barrel the very best way possible for maximum accuracy. If the 'smith gives bad answers, I'm outta his shop. I'll email them to you if you want. Won't post 'em here where 'smiths will learn what the correct answer is so they won't scam customers.
Mikecr
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Tubb probably 'liked the rifling' because the rounded lands are easier on jackets. But we now have a good number of barrel makers offering radiused/canted/rounded rifling.
I'm inline with youngbuck's perspective, as I found Gary Schneider to be unprofessional, and that he couldn't be counted on to get ANYTHING correct.
He outright screwed up a barrel order of mine 3 times before both he & I gave up! And this was nothin special, just a very basic order.
I'm inline with youngbuck's perspective, as I found Gary Schneider to be unprofessional, and that he couldn't be counted on to get ANYTHING correct.
He outright screwed up a barrel order of mine 3 times before both he & I gave up! And this was nothin special, just a very basic order.
I asked a professional mechanical engineer specializing in vibration frequencies of things about rifle barrel vibrations that cause the greatest angular deflection at the muzzle. He wrote a software program that calculates barrel weight and fundamental frequencies for both two and three taper barrels.
It's available at Tom Irvines web site: Vibrationdata Updates
It doesn't compute data for fluted barrels but knowing doing so makes a barrel less rigid (and vibrate at a lower frequency) is usually good enough for most folks. Best thing is it shows that barrels vibrate the the most at frequencies much lower than most folks believe. Most of them are less than 100 cycles per second; the bullet's long gone before the barrel completes one fourth of a cycle.
