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FrogFire7
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To me, switching bullets and POI is a recipe for mistakes to be made...
I am a bit recoil sensitive myself so understand the desire for light recoil... However it seems a little odd to me to request light recoil for pronghorn but to be OK with heavy recoil for bear?? It's not like he is going to just magically shoot better when shooting a bear (especially knowing the gun will recoil more).
Personally I'd lean on the heavier end of the spectrum but inside what he is comfortable shooting. Maybe use some good copper bullets that will get a lot of penetration for bear?
Good luck getting him all geared up!
I am a bit recoil sensitive myself so understand the desire for light recoil... However it seems a little odd to me to request light recoil for pronghorn but to be OK with heavy recoil for bear?? It's not like he is going to just magically shoot better when shooting a bear (especially knowing the gun will recoil more).
Personally I'd lean on the heavier end of the spectrum but inside what he is comfortable shooting. Maybe use some good copper bullets that will get a lot of penetration for bear?
Good luck getting him all geared up!
birddog 68
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270 WSM would work well (especially since you have one) but I agree with FrogFire7 that changing bullets not a good idea. A good 130 grain bullet would be the ticket for both pronghorn and average size black bear.
Yakcountry
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I'm a big fan of the 0.277 caliber. I've killed pronghorn, deer and elk with my 6.8 western and wouldn't hesitate taking a long shot on a black bear. Recoil is mild on my rifle with a muzzle break. I shoot 175gr bullets.
270WSM would work just fine on pronghorn to bear. If you're feeling lucky with a 270WSM, I'd seriously look into a faster twist barrel. It would essentially make it a 6.8W and give you the ability to shoot lighter (120-140gr) and heavier (175gr) 270 rounds. Granted, you won't find much/any factory 270WSM with heavy's, so reloading would be ideal.
270WSM would work just fine on pronghorn to bear. If you're feeling lucky with a 270WSM, I'd seriously look into a faster twist barrel. It would essentially make it a 6.8W and give you the ability to shoot lighter (120-140gr) and heavier (175gr) 270 rounds. Granted, you won't find much/any factory 270WSM with heavy's, so reloading would be ideal.
Gotta tell the story now bro--- ya can't leave us hangin!!!What type of bear?
I once shot a Kodiak bear with a 30-06 and 150gnNever again will I do that!!!!!
For ourselves it is not an issue because we have the rifles and can reload just about anything we want and can lend him a rifle to hunt almost anything. This is just for the typical non re-loader hunter that might want a one rifle to purchase for both hunts, can buy factory ammo and around $1k for the factory rifle.
Trying to help a friend out makes me realize how hard it is to be a non re-loader hunter. I have been seeing this for years from neighbors asking for ammo so they and their children can hunt.
Well should have made it clearer.
Black Bear possibly up to 500lbs but most are in the 300lb range. This is hunting over BAIT in Canada.
He has a 7MM Mag and hates it for recoil.
Something light to carry for Pronghorn and easy on the recoil. May be doing a lot of stalking.
For the Bear big enough to kill it but not the recoil of the 7mm Mag. This will be done from a Stand.
Changing loads for the same rifle is not an issue. The hunts are months apart. So shooting a light bullet on one hunt and then having a heavy bullet for another hunt months later.
Also must be able to obtain Factory Ammo for the cartridge. He does not reload.
The reason I mentioned the 270WSM Kimber. 1" recoil pad, very flat shooting with 130gr for Pronghorn, should have no problem taking a Black Bear with 150 SGK or Nosler AB or Partition.
Thanks for any and all imput
Len & Jill
Trying to help a friend out makes me realize how hard it is to be a non re-loader hunter. I have been seeing this for years from neighbors asking for ammo so they and their children can hunt.
Well should have made it clearer.
Black Bear possibly up to 500lbs but most are in the 300lb range. This is hunting over BAIT in Canada.
He has a 7MM Mag and hates it for recoil.
Something light to carry for Pronghorn and easy on the recoil. May be doing a lot of stalking.
For the Bear big enough to kill it but not the recoil of the 7mm Mag. This will be done from a Stand.
Changing loads for the same rifle is not an issue. The hunts are months apart. So shooting a light bullet on one hunt and then having a heavy bullet for another hunt months later.
Also must be able to obtain Factory Ammo for the cartridge. He does not reload.
The reason I mentioned the 270WSM Kimber. 1" recoil pad, very flat shooting with 130gr for Pronghorn, should have no problem taking a Black Bear with 150 SGK or Nosler AB or Partition.
Thanks for any and all imput
Len & Jill
Gonna hate to hear this but I'd vote for a 6.5PRC in a handy rifle.... Weatherby 6.5 RPM, 6.5-284, Et al... 124gr HH and call it a day for both species...
BillLarson
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what kinda bear....???
Calvin45
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Oh if it's a black bear pretty much any "all purpose" big game cartridge will do.
My dad stopped one (admittedly a somewhat malnourished sow, but her desperation made her very dangerous) at about 7 paces with his 30-30 a few years ago. Dog was going nuts in his farmyard but acting terrified too…dad figured something was wrong, thankfully opted to take his rifle. Thing was hiding between two grain bins and just took a run at him from the side. Didn't have time to even aim he said, but at rock throwing distance on smaller potentially dangerous critters like black bears, cougars, and boar (which can be very aggressive) that big flat nose of the .30-30 slaps harder than the paper ballistics say it should haha.
Don't want to derail thread let's say young and STUPID!!!!!!
Need to have factory ammo readily available.
