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In the 90's, I had access to untold numbers of acres that I could go at will for pigs and deer in a county that "didn't have any deer to speak of."

I shot a 156" nine that first year there.

In college in Lubbock, pheasant hunting was simply a game of finding the farmers house and knocking on doors. Almost never got told "no". Perhaps it was rosy personality and generally handsome confirmation.

Or, anyone could get access.

Big game = big money now. Almost all ranchers graze cattle and farm while also leasing hunting. Ranchers operate on razor thin profit margins and every $/acre they can get is taken advantage of.
 
I leased my ranch for Whitetail and Mule Deer only this year, for the first time ever. The list of applicants was long and immediate once I let word slip out. I wound up getting 50% more than my initial offer bc of competition and demand.

I retained hunting rights to guide Aoudad hunts, and hunt pigs and varmints and the option for me and my family to hunt as long as I didn't interfere with them.

The guys who leased it seem to be a very good group of guys who are exceptionally grateful for the opportunity, they are willing and anxious to do improvements and they are pleasant to be around. They got the lease because of strong references from the Game Warden.

Highest bidder isn't always enough. They got it bc of the value they added to the property.

Here in TX, the market for good leases is strong.
 
^^Intersesting. Nice to hear the success stories too. Is your lease term confined to the length of the deer seasons and scouting beforehand, or all year? Do you confine your livestock to different areas that hunting takes place in during that time?

It must be the difference in avaliable public land between here and there as well as generally bigger ranches, as leasing for hunting is not as prevalent here.

There a few huge ranches nearby where larger chuncks of habitat and corresponding herds can be managed better and trophy animals can be harvested- they do get the big $ for sure.
 
I can't disagree with most of this. I could also work on my tone, or how it comes across.

I don't believe the majority of operations are doing put and take hog hunts, but there are some for sure. Most I see that do this are east tx operations and … coincidentally, you can also shoot exotics there!

I also agree that the value isn't there on a lot of these pig hunts. I too would rather plop down $2k on anything other than a pig. Maybe it's bc I have shot hundreds and know that the big boars on the websites are 1 in 100
I find your tone to be just fine!! I can take tone over a smooth talking BSer all day long. I have five hunting buddies who just came back from a 6 day hunt on a deer hunt in Maine. They were sold a sweet bill of goods by a smooth talking jackass (I could easily use something a lot stronger, but…..) who sold them a bill of goods!! Five good, hardcore hunters whe only cut a couple of tracks for the entire week. They saw their guide a few times during the week, and the accommodations sucked(dirty and run down)!!! When something like this happens I find it to be one of the lowest things that a person could do to another. Like most of the readers here, a "hunt" is a special occasion ad we spend it with friends or family. If an outfitter is dishonest he's destroying the hunt of a lifetime for some hunters who "think " they are on one!!
 
I can appreciate "blunt", "BS" not so much.
I see now what you were talking about. The Maine hunt!

I thought you were talking about something I said. (Clearly it didn't bother me too badly! sometimes I can be a bit too blunt)

So difficult to figure out what people mean online. Anonymity often lends itself to A-hole like behavior.
 
I have lived ( because of either my Father's occupation or later my own) in Africa, South Ametica, and within the US, on both coasts and the South. I say this because I have seen and participated in different hunting cultures. I consider myself a native Texan and I can tell you beyond a doubt that there is great misconceptions about hunting here. I spent a lot of time out west, there is no stream between Mt Adams and Mt St Helens I haven't put a fly in. There is no gorge in Klickitat, I haven't glassed for deer or Elk. Guys who hunt like that like, will not understand until you come to Texas and comprehend for yourself what "all private land" looks like.
I live in Houston. I have paid for the state permit to go hunt Sam Houston Natl Forest, its a joke, never doing that again.
I was blessed to have an army buddy that had married into a large South Texas ranch. He invited me to be a hunter in their management program. ( they were losing hunters for money, and wanted to increase deer quality, so they thinned the herd. This was a legal land owner program in concert with the State, so no butt hurt comments) The end result was that for several years I got to shoot a " lot" of deer. ( btw, theres no substitute for getting better at the shooting aspect of hunting than to take lots of shots. I shot deer at every conceivable range, in cover, in open, flat or high angle, from every possible approach, broadside, quartering, even facing away. The results of this experience are a whole different thread). The point of this is that, I bought land in South Texas to hunt, after falling in love with that particular region around Rock Springs, where there is free range axis, blackbuck and audad. Also behind high fence, there is almost any species you want to shoot ( and are willing to pay the price of supply and demand).
What a lot of guys not from Texas don't get, is having exotics. Year round hunting of non-native species is big business… and to tie the different points of this short novel together hog hunting has developed from eradication of nuisance animals into being the poor man's exotic. It offers hunting opportunity outside of our generous whitetail season, and instead of the free hunting of yesteryear when ranchers treated hogs like varmints, ranchers now know that every pull of trigger is a dollar sign. They are not going to give away, what they can make money off of.
The second Thing I learned from buying land in South Texas, is that there is a big difference in hunting experience, based on ranch size. My buddy gave me the "large ranch" experience (20k + ac). But all I could afford was 60 acres. I eventually sold the 60 acres, because every a-hole around me on 4 sides, shot everything in sight.
When you say you want to hunt hogs in Texas, for better for worse, understand that you are going to pay, because its a commodity that others are willing to pay for. And 2, you are going to pay within the spectrums of bad-good hunting, to hunt a larger ranch. Theres a reason some hog hunts are structured like big game hunts and cost the same. Its replacing that ranchers deer income, outside of deer season, and he has to make money from having the acreage. You will not have the same hunt from bubba that charges you 100 bucks a day to go to his back 40, as you will hunting several hundred acres, on up.
 
Second comment. Hogs are largely nocturnal, and have karge ranges,so thermals and big enough pieces of land, are your best bet. BUT, on the cheap you can night by using passive sighting vs expensive thermal or night vision sights. ( note this not legal for deer! Or anything considered a game animal by the state. You can do it for hogs and exotics only). Sinply cowitness a laser ( preferably IR) to your normal sight. Then using any cheap night vision you will see where the laser points. Technically you don't even need to shoulder the weapon, just aim by using the beam. This is how the army saves the cost of night sights for every battle rifle. When soldiers are already issued night vision, all it takes is a cheap laser to passively sight the rifle.
 
I'm game!
Colorado has a deal where instead of paying the ranchers for the damage the wildlife cause/ eating of crops, they issue them a certain number of elk tags to try to get more hunting pressure on private land to drive the animals off. I used to get some when I leased more farm acreage and it was pretty nice because the season was long and at a time when the elk were actually on the property.

Alot of times, when we bring the cattle down from the mountains and turn them in on the river pasture the elk split for their wintering grounds and then you're stuck hunting with the crazies during regular season despite the fact that the animals spent all summer grazing on your land. Alfalfa and clover fed elk is a whole different taste.

I was too late applying this year.
Yep, there certainly are landowner deer/elk tags available in Colorado. A good amigo bought one of those deer tags and just got back from his 5 day hunt...
What a deal!
Only 10K.
 
I've always had the desire to hog hunt, but as many of us, we can't justify (primarily to our wives) the cost involved. I was hoping to hunt on public lands in Texas and/or Florida, but the bottom line is that it is pretty much a waste of time. I guess I just have to save some money to see if one day I can finally afford to pay for a hunt. Meanwhile, I'll just entertain myself by watching hog hunting videos on YouTube and going to the range to shoot hog metal targets. Thanks for all the posts. I enjoy reading them all.
 
I've never been hog hunting but have been itching to get out and blast some pork flavored self propelled plows for a while.

I've been doing alot of reading as to best calibers, bullets etc but still have a few other questions.

1)I don't see people talking much about places to hunt for free. Funds for me are more limited for recreation right now so I have to keep it cheap. Are there oppotunities to get with ranches who dont charge a fee? I know it takes a while to build trust when hunting on someone else's land and there's always a liability issue so I get the need to charge, but it seems some places need all the help they can get. The other option is public land but if it's anything like crowded colorado, sharing the area with a bunch of hog hunters you dont know doesn't sound too appealing due to my phobia of intamacy with speeding projectiles.

2)Is night hunting necessary for success? Dropping 4k on reliable NV or thermal optics isn't in the cards for aforementioned reasons but I sure don't see alot of daytime blubber blasting.

3)is the meat worth harvesting? Like say a young sow- or is the taste, piggy filth, or chance of disease/ just not worth it? I'm well on my way to filling up the freezers this year but a few hundred pounds of pork would be nice.

Thanks in advance.

Central/coastal California is often overlooked for hog hunting. There is public land that is free access, but your chance of success on them is pretty slim due to pressured animals. About the only "public" land you would have a good chance for success on is Fort Hunter Liggett. You are looking at $188.74 non resident hunting license, $86.97 pig tag (if you wait until next year the price might come down since it will be a validation instead of a tag), and $80-$130 dollars depending on what kind of permit you want at FHL.

https://fthunter.isportsman.net/#:~:text=Anyone with a valid California,eligible to buy a permit.

Compare that to $1k+ for a guided hunt (plus the license), but those would guarantee a shot opportunity. We have plenty of great outfitters and guides in this state if you only have a couple days for your hunt and want to make it happen.

IR/Thermal night hunting is not legal on big game here so that expense doesn't even factor in.

The meat is worth harvesting, but often time benefits from good preparation. Sausages, etc with spices helps break up any gaminess in the meat. I had mine prepped by a professional butcher, and while it was an additional expense, the results are delicious.
 
Going back to the OP question way back in the thread...... I have lights on my feeders, red lights, but the cost of batteries and the lights only lasting a couple days on those batteries has killed that. I have plans to upgrade my feeder to 12V, then I can run the lights off a large battery with solar chargers and maybe get feeder lights that operate when they detect motion for months. Until then we use thermal monocular to find hogs, stalk in range, then light them up with white lights and shoot them. Hogs may not see red lights or green lights, but they can sense the light and I think they can maybe see shadows from those lights, and they take some time to get accustomed to them. I don't know this as fact, it's what I see watching them in the lights.
 
I see now what you were talking about. The Maine hunt!

I thought you were talking about something I said. (Clearly it didn't bother me too badly! sometimes I can be a bit too blunt)

So difficult to figure out what people mean online. Anonymity often lends itself to A-hole like behavior.
As you wrote, "If we were sitting around a campfire you'd understand what I'm talking about." Im never offensive on a thread, I just ignore the thread and move on before that happens
 
I have lived ( because of either my Father's occupation or later my own) in Africa, South Ametica, and within the US, on both coasts and the South. I say this because I have seen and participated in different hunting cultures. I consider myself a native Texan and I can tell you beyond a doubt that there is great misconceptions about hunting here. I spent a lot of time out west, there is no stream between Mt Adams and Mt St Helens I haven't put a fly in. There is no gorge in Klickitat, I haven't glassed for deer or Elk. Guys who hunt like that like, will not understand until you come to Texas and comprehend for yourself what "all private land" looks like.
I live in Houston. I have paid for the state permit to go hunt Sam Houston Natl Forest, its a joke, never doing that again.
I was blessed to have an army buddy that had married into a large South Texas ranch. He invited me to be a hunter in their management program. ( they were losing hunters for money, and wanted to increase deer quality, so they thinned the herd. This was a legal land owner program in concert with the State, so no butt hurt comments) The end result was that for several years I got to shoot a " lot" of deer. ( btw, theres no substitute for getting better at the shooting aspect of hunting than to take lots of shots. I shot deer at every conceivable range, in cover, in open, flat or high angle, from every possible approach, broadside, quartering, even facing away. The results of this experience are a whole different thread). The point of this is that, I bought land in South Texas to hunt, after falling in love with that particular region around Rock Springs, where there is free range axis, blackbuck and audad. Also behind high fence, there is almost any species you want to shoot ( and are willing to pay the price of supply and demand).
What a lot of guys not from Texas don't get, is having exotics. Year round hunting of non-native species is big business… and to tie the different points of this short novel together hog hunting has developed from eradication of nuisance animals into being the poor man's exotic. It offers hunting opportunity outside of our generous whitetail season, and instead of the free hunting of yesteryear when ranchers treated hogs like varmints, ranchers now know that every pull of trigger is a dollar sign. They are not going to give away, what they can make money off of.
The second Thing I learned from buying land in South Texas, is that there is a big difference in hunting experience, based on ranch size. My buddy gave me the "large ranch" experience (20k + ac). But all I could afford was 60 acres. I eventually sold the 60 acres, because every a-hole around me on 4 sides, shot everything in sight.
When you say you want to hunt hogs in Texas, for better for worse, understand that you are going to pay, because its a commodity that others are willing to pay for. And 2, you are going to pay within the spectrums of bad-good hunting, to hunt a larger ranch. Theres a reason some hog hunts are structured like big game hunts and cost the same. Its replacing that ranchers deer income, outside of deer season, and he has to make money from having the acreage. You will not have the same hunt from bubba that charges you 100 bucks a day to go to his back 40, as you will hunting several hundred acres, on up.
Wow really good info here, this put it all together for me (and would not have started the thread had I seen it first haha)

There's another option that might be on the table still for me if i was really set on it, and that's trading elk hunting for pig hunting. Not sure it's worth that much to me though, coyotes are plenty fun without the cost and fresh pork is cheap to buy from local farmers.
 
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