Wyo Task Force - Nonres Comments!
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Exactly. The number of hunters has exploded. It's both res and non-res. And if you live in the mountain west, get used to more and more people. They're coming and they're not going to stop. They're coming for lots of reasons and they always have. It's just that it is now accelerating noticeably. The population of the valley where I live in Idaho increased over 10% in 2020 alone. They're coming and many of them have no idea how to take care of the land, why to put out your fire (or not to have one in the first place), why to not drive across that field, why to not do a lot of things. They're increasingly stupid and entitled. And they're from every political stripe. The bottom line is that there are just too **** many people, period. But that's a conversation and a realization we'll never have in this country.....
As for the OP, I have mixed feelings. I'm one of those people building points in WY and hoping to go there and hunt with my nephew. I'll keep trying. Selfishly, I hope it doesn't pass. But I can also understand the sentiment from the residents.
West Calamus
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INSURGENT... Last I heard it's a free country and you can live where u want.....
I have only hunted Wyoming a few times and was always with outfits. I absolutely love the state and have been looking for an option to move there or Montana. I am back and forth on how I feel on R and NR having equal opportunities. There is always a few bad guys that ruin it for others. I live in Mississippi where we have some prime turkey hunting and you can see the public land full of out of state trucks coming to kill 3 turkeys. I assume they have little to no interest in maintaining a strong population. This example unfortunately does probably happen more likely with NR that do not care as much about protecting their back yard as the residents do. We can all agree that we are not the NR that are leaving trash everywhere and killing young animals just so we don't go home empty handed, mainly because this forum is good men and not dirt bags. With that said, (may be a moot point) but do NR and R have equal odds on private land? I see the validity of "we" on federal lands but also feel residents should get a little bit of preference as I feel this fuels ownership and pride in the future as well and promoting hunting of younger generations. I have often wondered if NR should get a smaller window of the season. I would sure like for the NR turkey hunters to be restricted a little bit here.
Did I ever say you couldnt?
Free country? Have you watched the news lately ? Hell because I refuse to wear a mask these days I'm considered a racist and I hate America.
I hope that's not where this conversations heading.
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I think I finally figured out who is buying all the $13,000 Gunwerks rifles ! LOL
They say you own the land but nobody owns the animals because they migrate, or the state does ?? But the land owner who doesn't own the animals can sell them as a hunt for $7,000 and up seems odd. Plant some alfalfa and a wallow with a salt lick to make it enticing for your cow and you have an elk magnet to which they will migrate.
Selling tags takes the fairness out of it because you don't own the animal therefore it isn't your to sell. Resident or not.
If I'm not mistaken you can't buy a Wyoming land owner tag gotta be family.
30k/4 hunters isn't a stretch when you spend over a thousand on NR special tags and $5-$6,000 for outfitter/guide, plus food and drink and tips.
And for the record, GA Precision is my price range. Not Gunworks.
Wyo res biggest complaint is they can't draw high demand limited tags! Some res may not like the idea of a waiting period because they wouldn't be able to draw limited in units that have great draw odds every year and they would have to sit out several years once they draw liminted tags.
One solution to this would be to have a waiting period for "premium limited units" for deer, elk, and antelope that are the toughest tags in Wyo to draw. A baseline of 10 or 20% draw odds could be set and all units that are tougher than that to draw would have waiting periods.
Wyo res would then still have the opportunity to apply for tougher draw "premium units" with waiting periods or they could select regular units that wouldn't have waiting periods in place.
A waiting period for "premium units" would provide residents WAY better draw odds than the few tags/unit with 90/10. I can pretty much guarantee that "Premium high demand units" are going to become tougher and tougher to draw as more nonres move to Wyo! This may be a simple solution without going to a pref/bonus pt system or robbing nonres of 1/2 of their limited tag opportunity.
Plain and simple 90/10 only SLIGHTLY increases a Wyo res chance of drawing deer, elk, and antelope tags, cuts nonres opportunity in 1/2, and is a horrible idea for outfitters and WG&F revenue!
One solution to this would be to have a waiting period for "premium limited units" for deer, elk, and antelope that are the toughest tags in Wyo to draw. A baseline of 10 or 20% draw odds could be set and all units that are tougher than that to draw would have waiting periods.
Wyo res would then still have the opportunity to apply for tougher draw "premium units" with waiting periods or they could select regular units that wouldn't have waiting periods in place.
A waiting period for "premium units" would provide residents WAY better draw odds than the few tags/unit with 90/10. I can pretty much guarantee that "Premium high demand units" are going to become tougher and tougher to draw as more nonres move to Wyo! This may be a simple solution without going to a pref/bonus pt system or robbing nonres of 1/2 of their limited tag opportunity.
Plain and simple 90/10 only SLIGHTLY increases a Wyo res chance of drawing deer, elk, and antelope tags, cuts nonres opportunity in 1/2, and is a horrible idea for outfitters and WG&F revenue!
As a NR hunter who has hunted Wyoming for about 9 years (and going out there again this year). I'd 
% NOT be happy being a resident and not being able to draw a tag while NR's do. I understand being a NR limits my opportunity to hunt there. Many times I've told my wife I'd love to move to Wyoming when we retire. In Minnesota we obviously don't get nonresident hunters flowing in, most of us are going elsewhere for fine hunting. We do get a lot of "out of staters" fishing here though and these same comments come up. I don't want to see it get harder to hunt Wyoming either and did cash out my points this year as well, but I understand the residents concerns and would feel the same way. I don't know the solution either. The way the world is going, nothing is getting easier that's for sure.
% NOT be happy being a resident and not being able to draw a tag while NR's do. I understand being a NR limits my opportunity to hunt there. Many times I've told my wife I'd love to move to Wyoming when we retire. In Minnesota we obviously don't get nonresident hunters flowing in, most of us are going elsewhere for fine hunting. We do get a lot of "out of staters" fishing here though and these same comments come up. I don't want to see it get harder to hunt Wyoming either and did cash out my points this year as well, but I understand the residents concerns and would feel the same way. I don't know the solution either. The way the world is going, nothing is getting easier that's for sure.Easiest solution, become a resident.
So I've never hunted out west (as much as I would like to) so I don't have much of a dog in this fight but here in PA our main draw tags are for elk and antlerless deer. Everyone who buys a license gets a buck tag but since antlerless tags are used to control the population they are allotted by Wildlife Management Unit. For these tags the residents of the state get first application of the tags followed by non residents two weeks later. This repeats a second time and the unit is either closed due to sold out tags or it goes to over the counter sales.
The elk however have only a couple dozen tags available per year and they do a full lottery with no preference to resident vs non-resident, everyone has an equal opportunity to draw a tag depending on preference points.
From my perspective it seems like the majority of the game budget is being funded by non resident hunters despite only being allowed to take a small portion of the game animals. So if those opportunities are reduced father in a very "go away, we don't want you" way then I'd venture to say that many people will stop applying, especially those who haven't yet applied or who only have a small number of points built up. I know personally if this passes I would no longer consider applying to Wyoming as it would appear to be a waste of time and money since it would take twice as long to get a tag.
The elk however have only a couple dozen tags available per year and they do a full lottery with no preference to resident vs non-resident, everyone has an equal opportunity to draw a tag depending on preference points.
From my perspective it seems like the majority of the game budget is being funded by non resident hunters despite only being allowed to take a small portion of the game animals. So if those opportunities are reduced father in a very "go away, we don't want you" way then I'd venture to say that many people will stop applying, especially those who haven't yet applied or who only have a small number of points built up. I know personally if this passes I would no longer consider applying to Wyoming as it would appear to be a waste of time and money since it would take twice as long to get a tag.
