Tight Chamber? Need help/advice!

GLTaylor

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So, I recently got a new .25 cal barrel and a chamber reamer to shoot the new, long, 131 gr Blackjacks. I Bought the Krieger barrel and chamber reamer from Blackjack. Had the barrel chambered and put on my switch barrel receiver by my smith. Everything has gone well and the rifle shoots quite well for me. I'm on my 3rd reloading of my brass and I have begun to have some concerns.
I had a few case separations (4-6) and immediately thought I goofed up on my headspace. I have also noted some problems with chambering a FL sized case in the chamber. Some absolutely do not want to let the bolt close on the loaded round.
I have re-checked the shoulder bump twice and am right on target with an average .002 shoulder bump. Some are .001, some are just over .002, but historically I have seen this and attributed it to the differences in hardness in individual pieces of brass. I'm averaging .002 for the vast majority of cases.
I do anneal the necks of my brass.

I got to measuring my cases today and found that the web is rather small after firing. The cartridge is a 25-284. I'm using 6.5 Lapua brass necked down to 25 cal. and I am skim turning the necks for uniformity and to avoid a donut forming, Specs for both the Winchester and Norma 284 call for a case head diameter of .500. My Fired case heads measure .495-.496. Most run .495.
When I run my brass through the Type S FL neck die, the die only reduces the brass down to .495, and this only if I run the brass through three (3) strokes of the press in and out of the die. Obviously, the brass is still tight after I resize it.
I am certainly not a gunsmith, so I thought I would ask the braintrust here for your opinions.

I think I have decided that my chamber is quite tight. I bought a reamer to have this chamber done, so it has only been used one time on one barrel. Don't know if this makes any difference.
My thinking is that if I could somehow polish the chamber walls, I might get rid of some of the tightness and maybe loaded rounds would chamber easier - or at least with a lot less effort. Sometimes I have to beat the bolt down with my fist to get a round to chamber. Obviously, this isn't right.

I am also wondering if a very tight chamber base would explain the case separations I have experienced.

Is it possible that the chamber is gripping the brass too firmly and only allowing the forward portion of the brass to move when pressurized? I don't know. Just my conjecture, right or wrong. None of the cases have completely separated, but the imminent case head separation ring became visible outside the case and I verified its presence with a sharp probe inside the case body.
So what do you guys think? Am I on the right track, and if so, where/how do I proceed from here. Remember - I'm familiar with rifles, but I'm not a gunsmith!
Thanks in advance for all your good answers.
George
 
What you described don't add up. I am not a gunsmith either but have been messing with this stuff for 50 yrs. If in fact you are having case head separation, which you should not be with your loading method, then you either you are setting the shoulder back too far or you are measuring wrong.
Mark up a case and cycle it through the action and post a picture of the case.
Have you asked the gunsmith that chambered the barrel about it?
 
I tend to think sedan cowboy is correct in his thinking. Take a look at your reamer print, at the distance from bolt face to
the datum on your shoulder. Compare that to your fired case and a resized case. That should show you if you're bumping your case excessively.
 
2 problems.

Head separation is excessive headspace and/or too short brass.

Failure to chamber is a mismatch between sizing dies and chamber.
 
If you bought the reamer, measure it to see if you can figure out where the tight spot is.

I have to wonder if three times through the sizing die is causing your case separations?
 
If you bought the reamer, measure it to see if you can figure out where the tight spot is.

I have to wonder if three times through the sizing die is causing your case separations?

When you run the case into the sizing die try leaving it in the die for a minute to minimize springback before you pull it out.
 
Let's see:
1) The reamer is a Dave Manson.
2) I left it with my smith, who is closed right now due to the virus. I'll call him about measurements.
3) for case length, all cases were just re-measured. Some were slightly long, so i just re-trimmed and re-chamfered all.
4) shoulder bump was determined from fired cases. I bumped back .002 from fired case length.
5) separations are not occurring at the case head like would be normal for too much headspace. The cases are failing almost at mid cartridge?
6) when inserting a case into the die in my hands, the case slides in until the bottom quarter/third of the case. Then it gets tight - which seems normal to me?
7) the reason i ran the brass into the die 3 times was to see how much my dies would reduce the head diameter maximum. Normal single pass into the die leaves most brass too tight to easily close bolt. Some will.
8) the reason i skim turn my necks is to make sure i have enough clearance for bullet release in the chamber
Thanks for first round responses. Will try to get a photo of brass today.
 
Sounds like your lapua brass is separating right here.....
Although I got 4-5 firing.......65284.... 0414201019.jpg
 
That's it! I've used Lapua in several calibers. I like it. Never had this problem before?

Maybe try a different brand. I have a .25/.284 and made my cases from .284 Win brass long ago. I also bought a box of fire formed cases from an outfit called Buzztail Brass. The Buzztail cases would not chamber in my rifle even after FL sizing them.
 
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