Acceptable runout on new cases

[turkeyfever]

Have new cases Winchester for 7mm Rem Mag. Brass has been necked turn. What is acceptable runout for case necks at this stage for loading. Runout on cases are from 1 thou to 7 thou.
Thanks
Rusty

 

[rcoody]

That is why i buy lapua brass. Anything over..003 is unacceptable.

 

[FURMAN]

Past .003 is definitely unacceptable. Resized fired brass should be able to be maintained under .001 with good brass and dies.

 

[gohring3006]

.003 or less, but what are you getting after you go thru your loading process is the question... If you are concerned with new cases being .003 but your loaded rounds average .005" well....

 

[Mikecr]

Runout with new brass means nothing.
New brass itself means nothing.
It'll be what you make of it with fire forming, and then decide on it's merit.

 

[Buckskinner]

I had an issue with runout on some new Nosler brass for my RUM, I loaded up a box prior to the Wisconsin deer season, actually wound up using the 30/30 (I know, quite a difference...). For the heck of it I check the concentricity of the loads and was shocked, 14 of 20 were running .004-.007! I use a Redding competition seater that is awesome, so I was pretty surprised as I've never had runout like this. Checked the remaining pieces many of them were.004 off, not what I would consider straight necked, nor the quality from Nolser that I expect.


So I figured shoot Nosler an email and see what they say. Sent an email, nothing. After a week, sent another, nothing. After another week, called and left message for customer service guy and sent email, nothing.


Over a week later I get a call from this guy from Nosler stating that their goal is to keep neck concentricity .004 or less, soooo it met specs... What??? .004 you will give you about .007 on a 200 grain bullet, you can literally see it wobble without even looking for it. Not sure what ticked me off more, their lack of response or the response that I eventually got.


I certainly can make the brass better by shooting it and sizing as Mikecr stated, but Nosler is supposed to be good brass, no prep needed which is why you pay a premium for it, would be just as good off getting Remington. Horrible customer service bugs me more than anything, so I guess I answered my own question.

 

[Mikecr]

Buckskinner, I'm surprised Nosler wasted the time to answer you. They surely knew you didn't understand this stuff enough to accept a truth provided.
The brand of brass doesn't matter here. While new it isn't fully formed yet. It isn't finished. So we'll trim it & size it up & down, etc. Basic reloading.
That's all it is, and ever has been.

 

[grinnergetter]

Buckskinner, I'm surprised Nosler wasted the time to answer you. They surely knew you didn't understand this stuff enough to accept a truth provided.
The brand of brass doesn't matter here. While new it isn't fully formed yet. It isn't finished. So we'll trim it & size it up & down, etc. Basic reloading.
That's all it is, and ever has been.

For someone who seems to be a very valuable asset to LRH.... you have the worst online presence I have seen here. Why even type that? You already made your point.

I suppose there could be a inside joke between friends in there but not from where I'm sitting.

 

[rcoody]

Runout with new brass means nothing.
New brass itself means nothing.
It'll be what you make of it with fire forming, and then decide on it's merit.

Opinions vary

These internet experts have strong opinions. Take.what you read with a strong.dose.of.salt.and.do your.own research.

 

[FEENIX]

Opinions vary

These internet experts have strong opinions. Take.what you read with a strong.dose.of.salt.and.do your.own research.

Yep, one thing I learned early on is that there is always someone (regardless of post count or membership date) here that is far better than I am, more knowledgeable than I am, and have more real world experience than I am; most of which are always willing and able to lend a hand.

I learned through out the years who they are and have looked up to them for sound advice.

... and just to lighten up the situation ...

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... sorry, I couldn't resist. gun)

Cheers1

 

[Buckskinner]

While I'm new to this board, this isn't my first rodeo in the forum arena or my first run in with a keyboard Rambo who has told me that I don't know what the hell I am doing. I'm just here to pick up some tips and meet a few new guys interested in the same stuff I am...

I get what Mike is saying, I guess I just expect a little more out of a respected company like Nosler that boasts the following;
Nosler Cartridge Brass | Fully Prepped, Ready To Load!



Build the perfect load has long been the motto of hand loaders loyal to Nosler brand bullets–and was the sole reason we developed Nosler® cartridge brass. Introduced in 2005, the Nosler® cartridge brass line is ready to load. Manufactured with the traditional Nosler philosophy of uncompromising attention to detail, Nosler® cartridge brass is created to exact dimensional standards and tolerances, using quality materials for maximum accuracy and consistency potential while extending case life. Nosler® brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years.

 

[gohring3006]

While I'm new to this board, this isn't my first rodeo in the forum arena or my first run in with a keyboard Rambo who has told me that I don't know what the hell I am doing. I'm just here to pick up some tips and meet a few new guys interested in the same stuff I am...

I get what Mike is saying, I guess I just expect a little more out of a respected company like Nosler that boasts the following;
Nosler Cartridge Brass | Fully Prepped, Ready To Load!



Build the perfect load has long been the motto of hand loaders loyal to Nosler brand bullets–and was the sole reason we developed Nosler® cartridge brass. Introduced in 2005, the Nosler® cartridge brass line is ready to load. Manufactured with the traditional Nosler philosophy of uncompromising attention to detail, Nosler® cartridge brass is created to exact dimensional standards and tolerances, using quality materials for maximum accuracy and consistency potential while extending case life. Nosler® brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years.

That's the spirit!!!
While Mike doesn't/never mince words.... He's right and you see that.
One thing about new brass, no matter the brand, is I never have the same runout, neck tension or capacity as fire formed brass.
I have tried to get my loaded rounds to .002" of runout or less. I try for less, and sometimes get less, but it's frustrating trying to get that last .001".. Lol
I would load, fire form, then worry about extensive brass prep..

 

[FURMAN]

If that statement by Mikecr were true in regards to this topic then none of us would pay the extra for Nosler, Norma, Lapua, etc. It is just not the case. When checking runout of new brass it is checking two things. Is the neck straight and is there a variance in neck thickness. They can both be fixed. One of them is easier than the other. That is not why we paid a premium for the brass. The lapua I have had always measures less than .001 runout prior to touching it. Most Nosler runs the same. I have, however, run into some Nosler just like the OP. I would not waste my time with it. Most of us know we can just by Winchester brass and spend extra time weight sorting and measuring runout and culling the stuff out of our own tolerance. We can neck turn to get it exactly the way we want it but this should not need to be done with premium brass unless you just desire to have a tight neck chamber. Wether or no Nosler will admit it the OPs brass is not the norm. I have measured several lots. To the second part of this thread There is a wealth of knowledge on this forum. Some members give more than others and that is just the way it is. I just don't understand why some of, what I would consider to be the more respected, guys on here take such a hard stance sometimes. Often times they are wrong with what they are saying. There are a lot of new people reading and participating in the forum and I don't see the need to scare them off. There is an example of what I am talking about in this thread. I often see people ask a question and they are told to go find out for themselves. I came to this forum for help and to help others. I think we should all remember that.

 

[gohring3006]

Neck thickness and weight consistency is one thing we pay for premium brass.
But knowing that the brass capacity, runout and neck tension is going to be completely different once you fire and run them thru your loading process, is why some of us are saying that's it's a waste of time to worry about new brass runout...