Big Problem

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by linksmechanic, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. linksmechanic

    linksmechanic Well-Known Member

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    Well here we go. It was the last day of deer season here in North Idaho. I had been holding out for a big buck and finally got my opportunity on the last day which was Saturday. Me and a buddy hiked into a sweet spot which we were surrounded by clearcuts. We hiked in in the dark and were glassing for about 2 hours when I finally spotted a deer 500 yards way down hill. I told my buddy where it was and he could not spot the deer w/ his cabelas binocs. I handed my swarovski el's and he was like holy s*** that's a big buck. I said yeah the biggest I have seen to date in real life. So I got ready to setup for the shot. I have a remmy sendero sfII w/ a leupold MK4 lit mil dot 6.5-20x50 on it w/ ferrely rings and a harris brm bipod. It's shoot's in the .2's consistently w/ berger 180's, nosler brass and fed gm215's w/ 68.3 grains of retumbo. Oh yeah the caliber is 7rm. I can't be happier w/ the performance, until this day. So I had chamber a round and put the safety on and be were waiting for the deer to turn broadside. He does and I get into position and gently ease the safety off and BOOM! the gun goes off. What the frick!! I look down at the deer it's still there and my buddy is like shoot! before it runs. By now I'm shook up pretty good at the fact that my high dollar setup just went off by itself. I chamber another around and try to hold steady and fire and miss. By now I know my nerves are in now shape to continue firing and really bums me out considering I shoot 3 times a week and shoot 1200 yards at least 1 day a week. So what would cause this? Anybody know? Why would this thing go off why taking the safety off? Lite trigger? Trigger is a stock pro mark x set to 2.5#.
     
  2. goodgrouper

    goodgrouper Well-Known Member

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    You're not the only one this has happened to. I have already seen one trigger like this out of the box and heard of several others doing the same thing on guided hunts from the guides.

    The problem is the new Remington trigger. IT SUCKS! The only good thing about it is that they went to allen screws instead of flat heads. Everything else about them sucks.

    I would bet that Remy recalls this big piece of donkey dung before someone gets killed. And it was advertised as such an "improvement" by Remy this year. What they didn't say is how bad the design really is but that our lawyers made us do it.

    Lesson to Remingon: If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!
     

  3. linksmechanic

    linksmechanic Well-Known Member

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    goodgrouper: What the heck should I do w/ it? Replace it w/ an after market? I like the feel of the trigger but I don't want this to happen again. I have another gun w/ it on there and it doesn't do this. What part in the trigger makes this happen?
     
  4. goodgrouper

    goodgrouper Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what to do with the darn things. The only company that makes a replacement for it is Rifle Basix and I haven't heard how well they are working to correct the problem.

    Have you contacted Remington to see how they suppose you fix it?
     
  5. linksmechanic

    linksmechanic Well-Known Member

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    So you can't retrofit the old style trigger?
     
  6. goodgrouper

    goodgrouper Well-Known Member

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    Nope. The safety lever alongside the outside of the trigger housing is too short.
     
  7. X-man

    X-man Well-Known Member

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    Will a Jewel fit?
     
  8. Fiftydriver

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    GG,

    Not sure what your referring to not being able to replace the new Rem 700 triggers with aftermarket triggers. Maybe I missed the actual model of the Rem rifle but I just had a customer come in yesterday and he had two brand new CDLs with the new Rem trigger.

    We were just going to tune the trigger but they(REM) do something that causes the adjustment screws to seize up in the trigger housings and they can not be adjusted. I have seen this with around 70% of these new triggers.

    Anyway, 20 minuted later, both rifles had a new jewell in place of the factory triggers and they dropped in with no mods needed other then to open the stock trigger inletting a bit for free safety travel.

    Anyway, I think I am misunderstanding your comments about then old style. Maybe your referring to swopping out only the safety lever from the old to the new, that I would agree with and the only thing I can think of that you are referring to.

    I am pretty tired though, easy for me to misread something!!! LOL

    Later,

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  9. Fiftydriver

    Fiftydriver <strong>Official LRH Sponsor</strong>

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    Links,

    What were the conditions, cold? wet? dusty?

    The factory Rem triggers, old or new have a bad habit sometimes of the trigger sticking inthe pulled position at times. The newer rifles also have a bad rep for being a bit rounded on the sear surface which when combined with the first situation I mentioned will result in what happened to you.

    If the trigger does not rebound totally and the sear to trigger contct is not square and also a positive angle, the system can slip off.

    A trigger system HAS to be at least slightly positive in sear angle.

    I would say, spend the money and get a jewell. They are not cheap but they are the best.

    I have had some issues with quality control with the recent Rifles Basix triggers I got in. Of the 12 I ordered, 10 would slip off during my impact testing. NO GOOD!!! The problem was a negative sear angle on each one. I could fix this by remilling these contact surfaces but when you spend the green for an aftermarket trigger you should not have to do a trigger job on it.

    I called RB about this, their comment was these were match grade triggers that should only be used with slow bolt working motion and that all triggers of this design will slip off if jarred hard enough.

    I told them to have a good day and that they just lost my 100 trigger orders a year sales. As I can not live with that. Since then I have only recommended the Jewell triggers.

    As far as factory Rem 700 triggers, old and new. I have yet to see many be able to be adjusted to or below 2 lbs and stay 100% safe and reliable. In fact most get inconsistant much below 2.5 lbs. As such, if one of my customers wants a trigger pull under 2.5 lbs, its an aftermarket trigger.

    if your trigger is adjusted under this pull weight, I would be very weary of it, for obvious reasons.....

    Fortunately the only thing that was damaged was the hillside!!!!

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  10. jmden

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    I just replaced a RB EVR-3 in my Rem700 BDL with a Jewell. Came set at 1 lb with no creep. Perfect. RB safety wouldn't work well. Detent (ball bearing) ball would gall Al housing to the point that I couldn't work the safety reliably unless the bolt was up. Just goobered up the Al housing terribly. Talked to RB and while on the phone, he directed me to stone polish the surface of a part of the trigger--don't know what the name of it was--with the intent, at least from my perspective that this would help or allevite the safety problem. He is very adament (understatement) that safeties shouldn't used, but I kinda think they should work on a $130 tirgger. He said to send it to him and I said after elk season. Sent it back to RB after elk season. They said it worked fine in their test 700. What?!! OK, I'm done. Fortunately, Midway generously took it back and sent me the Jewell. A bit of inletting, a very small bit of lube to get the bolt release to work reliably and that's it. I've put in Timney, RB and now Jewell's in this thing and the Jewell was the easiest. The exterior safety mech. on the Jewell appears to have less to go wrong than with all the parts that can potentially fly apart when using the stock safety mech. Also the fact that the Jewell is 100% stainless just makes one less thing to worry about in your rifle. Just spend the money for the Jewell is the lesson this shooter learned... Good luck.
     
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  11. mikenc

    mikenc Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a little bit of operator error. Perhaps your finger was too close to the trigger when you released the safty, All kinds of things could be possible, first take an honest look at the big nut behind the trigger.


    Mike Alford
     
  12. goodgrouper

    goodgrouper Well-Known Member

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    No. You read what I said just fine. I was talking about the new triggers from Remington. I read the tech report from Sinclair when these new triggers came out and they were selling the replacement trigger from RB. They said it was the only trigger that would fit the new Rem because the safety lever was a different shape and length. But if you got a Jewell to work, then that is great news!
     
  13. linksmechanic

    linksmechanic Well-Known Member

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    Mike: NO operator error on my part. Took the rifle out yesterday and had a repeat of Saturday. Push the safety forward BOOM! REAL SAFE!!!

    FIFTY: Conditions were 10 degrees windy no dirt. Gun looks and functions as if new. Thanks for the input on the jewell. So your saying it will retrofit into the rifle w/ out probs? I haven't seen the problem w/ screws you were talking about. I have 2 of the new triggers and they were easy to adjust. However it seems that out of all the new triggers I have adjusted they don't all feel the same so they are not consistent. The one on my sendero is real smooth. The one on my sps varmint is a little rough and the one on a 300 rum has a little creep. I think they may have a problem w/ quality control on the trigger. However like I said the rifle shoots rediculous groups consisently shooting in the .2's.
     
  14. mikenc

    mikenc Well-Known Member

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    OK, well at least you have eliminated something from the list.