1000 POUND HOGS--- Yes they are out there

[snox801]

JE I also had a 450. Very good round the socom has more fps and energy when same weight is used. Plus are suppose to feed better. I e never had a problem with either. I went with the socom mainly cause it was the baddest thing that would fit in a ar 15 platform. Plus you can find a much larger selection of bullets. I have now got to by another 450 though because it qualifies for shotgun zone.

As for a bolt gun I'm not sure I see the need for it as there are many more powerful choices. The ar platform is what makes the socom so neat basically a 45-70 in a ar using standard mags and 10 round capacity.

 

[snox801]

When we sit down to design one it will be purpose built for the platform so as to maximize powder capacity and feed correctly. We'll see what it weighs. Probably going to be a bunch lighter and a bunch faster.

Steve

Nooooooooooooooooo!!!! Steve not smaller. Shoot for 300 gr. I want it to hit as hard as possible under 100 yards and drive all the way through anything. It was designed for short range. I would be to help you work on this project. Hell if you need a test gun I'll send you my upper. But I think if you do what you did with the 300 you would be going on the right track. Make it the same weight as he raptors I shoot now minus that stupid long plastic tip for more capacity. And make it open at slower speeds. I'll message you the idea I had wanted to have custom built from CEB but decided not to as they seemed uninterested.

 

[Wado]

A long time ago I read an article most likely in Guns and Ammo about the 458 SOCOM. The article said it was designed to be a round that would pass through a windshield and not shatter it but make a clean hole and reach it's target and dispatch the bad guy cleanly. Useful in a hostage situation inside a vehicle I assume. That's a big slab of lead coming out of that thing, dang. Some of the guys I know down here have graduated from the 300 Blackout to the 458 for hog rigs and now my gears are spinning for one. I have some money tied up in Blackout gear.

 

[snox801]

I actually went back to a blackout because the socom is so dam heavy. Once you switch to the new bullets made for them it's night and day. I was using the CEB raptors until I got talking to Steve at hammer and he designed in all the things I wish the raptor did better so I'm moving to those. They actually make the 300blk seem like a larger gun simply amazing. Plus ammo is much cheaper to reload for.

 

[geo4061]

An axis or any deer or elk or black bear is an easy kill compared to the Rhinos. Pig shin is one of the toughest hides on the planet. A bullet hole seams to close immediately. Sixteen hogs and no blood trails. Forget the bolt gun. After the first shot they scatter like quail. I think the time saved not cycling the bolt is better used on your next target. Do both of these have plenty to pass thru a big hog at 150? I would love to try out my Versa Max with the Eo Tech on one. However, J E after seeing that last video of yours. That gentleman had to shoot a hog three times at very close range to knock it down. That is another testament as to how tough they are.

 

[stx]

Don't know about 1000 lb hogs but we've got some "Big Ones"!

 

[TXAoudadKlr]

It's going fast enough around 1550 at 100 yards. With the TTSX it opens up to anywhere from .750 to .90 inches. It doesn't sound all that impressive but it does put in work. My gun is a Rock River Mid length

 

[snox801]

An axis or any deer or elk or black bear is an easy kill compared to the Rhinos. Pig shin is one of the toughest hides on the planet. A bullet hole seams to close immediately. Sixteen hogs and no blood trails. Forget the bolt gun. After the first shot they scatter like quail. I think the time saved not cycling the bolt is better used on your next target. Do both of these have plenty to pass thru a big hog at 150? I would love to try out my Versa Max with the Eo Tech on one. However, J E after seeing that last video of yours. That gentleman had to shoot a hog three times at very close range to knock it down. That is another testament as to how tough they are.

Yes it's more than enough to put down any pig at that distance. Remember it's balisticly identical to a 45-70 and those have killed every large animal on the face of the earth even water buffalo and Cape buffalo which are ten time tougher than any pig. Pigs are tough but not some mythical creature. Yes they take some shots and tend not to leave a blood trail but they do die easy. If you want drt shoot for the neck or they will run just like a deer or anything else. But I've moved back to a 300blk for almost all my pig slaying and it has been just fine on the past 20-30 hogs all dead very fast. Bullet selection is very important. Barnes or cutting edge or hammer and they will die.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

So all sling shot jokes aside.

You all want a bullet in the 300g class that we can get expansion down to 1300fps to 1400fps. I think given the starting dia of 458, the expansion is not such a big deal. We just need it to flatten out the nose so that it is not parting its way through, but tearing through. Opening up to larger dia will inhibit good penetration, and if there are 500+ lb animals on the menu, it would be good to get all the way through the vital area.

This bullet I think is going to be pretty meaty. How tacticool to you all think it will need to be? I am a results guy and cool is just a bonus.

Plate is pretty full right now, but I think we can make it happen pretty soon.

Steve

 

[stx]

Our hogs down here in South Texas must not be nearly as tough as some of these y'all are talking about! We've killed 100s and 100s and 100s of them over the last 30+ years on the country where I run my Hunting Operation with all types of deer rifles, as well as with a bow as the one I posted earlier in this thread(attached again). Obviously, if possible, they're shot in the ear or somewhere in the head, but that's not usually the case, especially with the kids that hunt with me.....they're usually shot square in the shoulder...DRT! I shot one a little over 300 yds a couple of years ago with one of my 280s and a Barnes 120 gr TSX at a little over 3,000 fps..... shot him in the point of the front shoulder while he was looking at me and it exited the rear hip and jellied everything in between.....he never took a step, dropped in his tracks. When I was younger, in the "Wild Days" in South Texas, we hunted them a couple times a week at night with dogs and used only .22s or a knife to kill them after the dogs took them down.....pretty rough on dogs! And this year we'll probably kill another 30-50 with anything from bow to 243 to 300 WM. They're not that hard to kill.....Not Ours Anyway!

 

[snox801]

That's what I have experianced also they go down with about any decent caliber with the right bullet.

Steve I'm a function guy and I think people buying your bullets would be your target market would also be looking for performance not cool. I don't really care what the weight would be I just want the best possible short range projectile for large game like water buffalo and big hogs. Because shooting a bullet that size anything will kill a deer even with no expansion. Plus the heavier it gets the more you can let it expand and still have plenty of penetration. So without losing to much fps I think the 300-325gr is the sweet spot. I have some 260gr that I can push over 2000fps but I feel for short range the heavier might be better. But I guesse only testing would tell.

 

[RockyMtnMT]

That's what I have experianced also they go down with about any decent caliber with the right bullet.

Steve I'm a function guy and I think people buying your bullets would be your target market would also be looking for performance not cool. I don't really care what the weight would be I just want the best possible short range projectile for large game like water buffalo and big hogs. Because shooting a bullet that size anything will kill a deer even with no expansion. Plus the heavier it gets the more you can let it expand and still have plenty of penetration. So without losing to much fps I think the 300-325gr is the sweet spot. I have some 260gr that I can push over 2000fps but I feel for short range the heavier might be better. But I guesse only testing would tell.

Higher vel vs momentum have the gives and takes. I think we will design it for the socom to function in the rifle and terminally, and let the weight fall where it does.

Steve

 

[geo4061]

You are right they are not hard to kill. It is the second shot when you shoot them on the run. You hit them where ever you can. That makes it tough. Yes you kill them but finding them at night in a mesquite thicket is just stupid. It is even tough during the day. I do think ya'll have it figured out. The best way to hunt and kill a hog is from a blind over looking a feeder. It is just not for me. As to the 400's. No doubt that's the way to go for the way ya'll hunt. I think the DPMS 308 (light weight and accurate) is a better choice for me. I am going to be mobile and may get lucky and get a 200 to 300 yard shot from the top of the Bad Boy. I do need some help here. The platform on top of the Bad Boy is three quarter inch ply wood. Using a bi pod your rifle bounces after the first shot. The first shot is very accurate. The second is non existent due to the bounce. Ideas?

 

[geo4061]

Maybe I still have not been clear. The problem is not killing them. It is how do you kill a gut shot hog quickly. Because finding a wounded hog is tough. The farther they go the harder it gets. I think the 400's are probably the answer. J E I have been thinking about a 7 STW for hunting and that 520 yard shot. How far have you shot a hog with it. What were the results. Also what are your thoughts on my bounce problem.