Thks for the information. I had friend let me also shoot his Mcwhorter ml this season it awesome!I don’t have anything for sale but I can give you my experience with smokeless muzz. I have some property in Iowa and the only gun seasons are shotgun and muzz. Back about 11-12 yrs ago, I wanted to extend my range so I first tried an Ultimate Muzz. The company is based out of Michigan and is the same group that partnered with REM. Basically an overbuilt version of any online, it purported to shoot 300yds accurately. The recipe was 4 pellets and the builders proprietary bullets. In short, it was a disaster. The gun simply would not perform, and the builder was a world class horse’s ***. I traded it for a tower blind and never looked back.
Then I moved on to the Savage ML ll, I think that’s the correct model....it was the only factory made that actually shot smokeless.
My hunting buddy bought one too and we had high hopes. Over the course of 6 months I bought 4 different ones and spent a lifetime’s worth of hours and enough powder to take out a small city at the range. Both of us tried and tried with a total of 6 different guns and came close to going completely nuts.
We would find a recipe that shot great one day and, despite changing nothing, would be all over the place the very next day. Zero consistency and no rhyme or reason as to why. I’m no Annie Oakley but can hold my own shooting 100yds. My friend is on the State Police sniper squad and is a great shot.
Completely frustrated I went back to an Encore with BH 209, and kinda forgot about The smokeless Route.
Fast forward to late muzz season in Iowa 7-8 yrs ago. I met a neighboring landowner who was shooting a McWhorter smokeless.
He asked if I wanted to shoot it, so I put a small pumpkin on a fence post exactly 300 yds out. The pumpkin exploded and I got on the phone. The gun cost more than my first car, way more actually. Since then I sold their original build, which used a sabot, and bought a bullet to bore model.
I can say with absolute certainty that it shoots as good or better than any centerfire I’ve owned. Maintenance is a breeze. Against my better judgement, I left the gun in Iowa (l live in Va) not wanting to fly with it, and planned to have fed ex pick it up. I procrastinated and the next season arrived before I got it back. It had a charge in the barrel the entire time.....when I took it to the range it fired no issue and cut the center of the bullseye.
I shoot 73gr of 4198 and push a 325gr Pittman at 2900fps. The accuracy is crazy. It does have some recoil and honestly no fun to shoot a lot.
There are now less expensive options out there that will give u way more velocity and consistency over traditional black powder.
Hankins custom rifles sells a CVA 45-70 that is modified into a smokeless. Cost is around $1000, all in. I have a friend who bought one and he’s pleased.
There are some builders that will put one together for u.....and depending on your component selection, the cost will be much less than a McWhorter. Their builds are super nice with top end everything....Borden action, Brux barrel, etc. And honestly the action isn’t as important as getting the right barrel.
I know a great guy in Illinois that built me a .280ai recently and it couldn’t have turned out any nicer. He has built several smokeless muzz’s and was using a Win model 70 action, bartlein barrel, Jewell trigger, cerakoted, stock of your choice, etc
His builds are top shelf and usually come in around $3500. Lemme know and I can get u his contact info. He doesn’t advertise at all, but built one for Tom Manners (of Manners Stocks).....and has built for Team USA long range shooters.
Once u go smokeless you won’t go back.
If I could only have one rifle it would be my smokeless.
That’s a nice looking build....smokeless I assume? The price is better than reasonable. Is it bullet to bore or uses a sabot? My first Custom smokeless used a sabot and was every bit as accurate.....it didn’t quite have the velocity but still much faster than black powder or BH 209.I have this one that was built by Piercision rifles 45 cal.
Bullet to bore 45 cal smokeless running Parker 327gr around 2850-2900 fpsThat’s a nice looking build....smokeless I assume? The price is better than reasonable. Is it bullet to bore or uses a sabot? My first Custom smokeless used a sabot and was every bit as accurate.....it didn’t quite have the velocity but still much faster than black powder or BH 209.