Enduron powder

[lyle2231]

Back from the Doctor"s office. Watching Johnny's reloading bench videos. He was using 4451 vs 4350. I know Enduron line was discontinued but was wondering why? Do you think Hodgdon will bring it back? I remember it was a very popular lineup.

 

[Tiny Tim]

Not certain, but i thought I heard it wasn't "shelf stable". I mean, I think whatever made it temp insensitive, lost its properties over time. I could most certainly be wrong. I'm certain someone more knowledgeable than I will chime in.

 

[lyle2231]

Not certain, but i thought I heard it wasn't "shelf stable". I mean, I think whatever made it temp insensitive, lost its properties over time. I could most certainly be wrong. I'm certain someone more knowledgeable than I will chime in.

Thanks for your reply

 

[FEENIX]

Back from the Doctor"s office. Watching Johnny's reloading bench videos. He was using 4451 vs 4350. I know Enduron line was discontinued but was wondering why? Do you think Hodgdon will bring it back? I remember it was a very popular lineup.

It started as a supply chain issue in 2019.

However, as of January 2025 per Hodgdon FB page SHOT show, it is not completely discontinued:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1MqQ5q3wHq/?mibextid=wwXIfr

 

[Doom2]

I recently asked Hodgdon about IMR 4064 and IMR 4166. The response was that 4064 is having supply issues but is available at times. 4166 is still a product in their line but they don't know when it might be available.

 

[FireFlyFishing]

It started as a supply chain issue in 2019.

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However, as of January 2025 per Hodgdon FB page SHOT show, it is not completely discontinued:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1MqQ5q3wHq/?mibextid=wwXIfr

 

[Veteran]

Back from the Doctor"s office. Watching Johnny's reloading bench videos. He was using 4451 vs 4350. I know Enduron line was discontinued but was wondering why? Do you think Hodgdon will bring it back? I remember it was a very popular lineup.

Just me. My opinion. But, this is a classic example of acquistion to shut down the competitor. IMR never had issues getting what they needed to manufacture Endurons.

It was only after Hodgodon bought them that any issues were claimed.

Any aquiror doing M&A worth their salt does very in depth due diligence. The Seller is required by contract and by law to disclose all issues and potential risks.

Now, why does a smart corporation buy one with products that dont work? They dont unless they intend from gitgo to just shutem
down......

IMHO this is why there are no Endurons.
Did any of you experience or claim shelf life was not good
....????

I dont think so......note....Hodgodon prices were raised to mid 50s after Endurons shut down too.

Lies......misdirection....smoke.....mirrors

 

[southpa]

Just me. My opinion. But, this is a classic example of acquistion to shut down the competitor. IMR never had issues getting what they needed to manufacture Endurons.

It was only after Hodgodon bought them that any issues were claimed.

Any aquiror doing M&A worth their salt does very in depth due diligence. The Seller is required by contract and by law to disclose all issues and potential risks.

Now, why does a smart corporation buy one with products that dont work? They dont unless they intend from gitgo to just shutem
down......

IMHO this is why there are no Endurons.
Did any of you experience or claim shelf life was not good
....????

I dont think so......note....Hodgodon prices were raised to mid 50s after Endurons shut down too.

Lies......misdirection....smoke.....mirrors

I'd say there's a bit of truth to this....

 

[lyle2231]

Just me. My opinion. But, this is a classic example of acquistion to shut down the competitor. IMR never had issues getting what they needed to manufacture Endurons.

It was only after Hodgodon bought them that any issues were claimed.

Any aquiror doing M&A worth their salt does very in depth due diligence. The Seller is required by contract and by law to disclose all issues and potential risks.

Now, why does a smart corporation buy one with products that dont work? They dont unless they intend from gitgo to just shutem
down......

IMHO this is why there are no Endurons.
Did any of you experience or claim shelf life was not good
....????

I dont think so......note....Hodgodon prices were raised to mid 50s after Endurons shut down too.

Lies......misdirection....smoke.....mirrors

Thanks for your reply . Your logic makes sense to me

 

[brewster29]

Anyone who hasn't figured out the entire powder/primer/reloading component shortage issue was orchestrated in order to raise prices is naive.

 

[CMP70306]

Just me. My opinion. But, this is a classic example of acquistion to shut down the competitor. IMR never had issues getting what they needed to manufacture Endurons.

It was only after Hodgodon bought them that any issues were claimed.

Any aquiror doing M&A worth their salt does very in depth due diligence. The Seller is required by contract and by law to disclose all issues and potential risks.

Now, why does a smart corporation buy one with products that dont work? They dont unless they intend from gitgo to just shutem
down......

IMHO this is why there are no Endurons.
Did any of you experience or claim shelf life was not good
....????

I dont think so......note....Hodgodon prices were raised to mid 50s after Endurons shut down too.

Lies......misdirection....smoke.....mirrors

Well your opinion would be misguided, Hodgdon bought IMR in 2003, 13 years prior to the introduction of the Enduron powders. The issue with the Enduron powders was during Covid they had issues with the plant that manufactured the Enduron powders, specifically with the additive they used to make them temp stable. Since they had issues and weren't sure how they were going to resolve them they shelved the product line in favor of getting more of the popular powders without the manufacturing issues.

Here is some further info.

IMR Enduran Powders

Powder Valley is forwarding an announcement that IMR is discontinuing the Enduran Powder line. However, Hodgdon has yet to make an announcement. Anyone else have any definitive news. IMR7977 has been the powder for my .25-06

www.snipershide.com

If you think Hodgdon is bad look at Alliant and their $90 per pound RL16.

 

[FEENIX]

Anyone who hasn't figured out the entire powder/primer/reloading component shortage issue was orchestrated in order to raise prices is naive.

If people did not prepare for the shortage for any reason, they have no room to complain. I started this thread https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...the-local-gun-store-empty-handed-rule.255740/ nearly 5 years ago to demonstrate the impact of little preparation/incremental purchases in the face of an impending shortage.

 

[Philward]

The big draw for Enduron powders was reduced copper fouling. I've never produced better results using Enduron over the standards they mimic like 4350, 4831 etc. Seem to get pressure at lower powder charges and lower velocities. Have 4451, 4955 and 7977 on hand, currently only have 4451 loaded in 257 Roberts with 92g hammer hunters that shoots ok. 7977 was never accurate in 7rm or 257 WBY.

 

[KHawk66]

Just me. My opinion. But, this is a classic example of acquistion to shut down the competitor. IMR never had issues getting what they needed to manufacture Endurons.

It was only after Hodgodon bought them that any issues were claimed.

Any aquiror doing M&A worth their salt does very in depth due diligence. The Seller is required by contract and by law to disclose all issues and potential risks.

Now, why does a smart corporation buy one with products that dont work? They dont unless they intend from gitgo to just shutem
down......

IMHO this is why there are no Endurons.
Did any of you experience or claim shelf life was not good
....????

I dont think so......note....Hodgodon prices were raised to mid 50s after Endurons shut down too.

Lies......misdirection....smoke.....mirrors

I call it the Caterpillar (as in construction machinery) effect. Cat owns more patents (or use to), to control and protect their market position on certain technologies. They bought the patents to sit on them or to use them because they threatened their current offerings. Nothing devious or sinister about that. Happens all the time in a free market world. It's just a reality

I agree with these statements because I've noticed, and experienced the same sentiments echoed by Philward here. You talk with CS at Hodgdon and get a "canned" response that seems to conform to a Corporate strategy, (i.e. Corporate speak). Hodgdon reeks of steering the market and pricing manipulation to benefit their cash position. (That is MY opinion, based on MY observations and MY experiences!) One of the reasons I've been a bit miffed with them. They raised prices because they positioned themselves to do so, their managing (positioning) their product offerings to limit the amount of product they have to produce and make available to the public. There maybe component supply deficiencies, or unreliable availability, but it doesn't make much sense, on their part, to have competing products in their product lineup. They're not going to come out and tell us that though.

That is ashamed because IMR4451 was lights out accurate, with very tight ragged hole groups in my 180gr loads for my 30-06.