Shot the 195s with retumbo at 500ft. sea lev. Best was 70gr. Average was 3015 with 28" bartlein. 220yds 1" group. Went up to 71gr. Was pushing at 3080, but little hot and spread groups. Need to turn necks. Can sure feel the tension in some of the necks when seating. I believe it's making those tight ones up the velocity and throwing my es.