300 Tomahawk

Discussion in 'The Basics, Starting Out' started by Tim Behle, Jul 14, 2003.

  1. Tim Behle

    Tim Behle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    367
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2002
    What is the trim to length that you use for your Tomahawk brass? The new Sierra manual lists 2.840" for the RUM, do I use this same measurement? How far should I let it go before trimming? Most of mine now runs 2.850-2.855" It's been fired four or five times and it looks like it is about time to anneal the necks. Should I trim before or after annealing, or does it matter?
     
  2. tomahawk #1

    tomahawk #1 Active Member

    Messages:
    31
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Tim
    Trim to length is 2.840
     
  3. Tim Behle

    Tim Behle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    367
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2002
    A couple of more questions if you don't mind. Have you noticed it doing better with 215 or 210 primers?

    What's the most accurate powder you've tried?
     
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Tim--
    I like the Federal 210M. I tried the 215 but it tended to give me 70-100 fps flucutuations in my extreme spread. I changed to the 210M's and now I'm getting single digit ES's. Then powder I started with was H870, but since it was discontinued, I changed to WC872. I didn't see a need to try anything else, as it was turning in 1/3 MOA groups out to 600 yds in load testing.
     
  5. Tim Behle

    Tim Behle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    367
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2002
    Chris,

    How hot was it when you were shooting those groups? I've been shooting WC872, in temps from 85-105. I'm wondering if it's temperature sensitivity might be causing some of my fliers.

    I'll try the 210M's thanks.
     
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Tim--
    I've only shot it up to about 80*F. I would think that if you kept your ammo at a stable temp, it wouldn't cause fliers. The primers were the sole cause of my fliers at long range. The 70-100 fps didn't show up at 100yds, but it started showing up at 600 and really shows at 800-1000. Good luck--if you still have problems, try some Retumbo--I know Boyd uses it...

    [ 07-18-2003: Message edited by: Chris Jamison ]
     
  7. halfbreed

    halfbreed Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    54
    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2002
    Tim, Chris, this is a very timely thread!
    I have a 300 RUM, Factory Savage.
    Right now i am loading, ( trying to find The load )220 SMK, Retumbo, Fed 215m.
    I have found wc872 at $3.oo lb plus haz-mat and shipping.
    What is the starting powder charge for the RUM with 872?
    One more thing, does anyone else have a problem trying to get the SMK's set at a consistant oal?
    Any help here is greatly appreciated
    John
     
  8. remingtonman_25_06

    remingtonman_25_06 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,032
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2003
    halfbreed

    Yes I have had the OAL problems with the SMK's. I think its because on some of them the tips are slanted and not flat. Thats the only thing I can think of. It is definately noticable on the bullets with a little bit of a slant. You would think with all the accuracy and good reputation Sierra would fix the slanting problems?
     
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    halfbreed--
    Get yourself a Stoney Point OAL tool and the Comparator set to go with it. The OAL makes absolutely no difference--its the ogive to lands relationship that matters. The nose length of even the finest custom bullets will vary a bit and can cause you to get inconsistencies in OAL. BUT--if your ogive/lands relationship is consistent, you are good to go.
    Try starting with about 88-90 gr with the WC 872 and working up in 1 gr increments. Be aware that the WC 872 is temperature sensitive and will show pressure signs in the heat of the summer.

    [ 07-18-2003: Message edited by: Chris Jamison ]
     
  10. halfbreed

    halfbreed Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    54
    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2002
    Chris j, I had seen the Stoney point products many times. I just did not know how accurate they were, or if they were just a gimmick, I live in Benton Ky. The temps here are no different than in your area, just above Memphis.
    Thanks for the help, I can surely use it.
    John
     
  11. halfbreed

    halfbreed Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    54
    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2002
    Remington, that is also what I was thinking with the slanted tips. I am just beginning to get into long range.
    I do alot of searches before I ask questions. I usually find the answers I am looking for.
    Thanks, John
     
  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    They are definitely not a gimmick--They are the most accurate way to set up your die's seating depth--you won't be sorry--its money well spent.
     
  13. Tim Behle

    Tim Behle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    367
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2002
    I finally got my 240 Mk's in last night, wouldn't you know it, I had to go to work early this morning and didn't get to try them.

    But I did get to play for a little while in the wind when I got home tonight.

    I tried H1000, never did get it up to speed before getting too many pressure signs. So I tried some Retumbo.

    Oh My Gawd!

    Six shots, one little hole, and an ES of 6 FPS, at 100 yards. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Anyone know of any 1K matches in AZ or Southern NM this weekend?

    I want to go play.

    Tim
     
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Way cool Tim. My new rifle likes Retumbo also, looks like you'll be ready for the August match. How many grains are you using and did you chrono them yet? I'm at 86 grs with an SD of 6, 3 shots .550" at 300yds, around 2900+ fps. This is a max load in my rifle.
    Take care,
    Wayne