22-250rem ir 22creed

[ARlife4me]

Other than playing favorites what is your choice and reasoning for your selection!
Both have the same max psi but the creed has a little more horsepower within the same barrel length. The 22-250 could give longer barrel life since case capacity is less?

For those that feel the need for as much "use" or "intent " or "purpose " of what it'll be for, well.........

AR platform
Bullet weights 62-75 mainly and possibly to 85-88 abd will have proper twist
Range toy mainly, but will shoot varmints and other pests when needed.

No plans at this time for a 22arc, 22bra/x or any other cartridges in that caliber......only the 2 in the title.

 

[VLD Pilot]

Both close but the CM gets the edge in performance. EZ button is the CM for over all top end .224 performance but the 22-250 is no slouch. Can't really go wrong with either IMO. I have a 22-250 AI. Does the same as the 22CM can do. They just didn't make the CM cartridges when I built mine.

 

[FireFlyFishing]

I have a 22-250 because I got a good deal on a 8 twist Tikka. It shoots great, no complaints. I also had a ton of brass laying around and ended up with quite a few Lapua cases.

The 22-250 has a quite a bit of taper on the cases which is not ideal. The 22 CM certainly has the modern case design which is optimal. To properly compete with the CM, the 22-250 need the AI treatment. But…the 22-250 is still a great cartridge. With a faster twist barrel it's great!

I would not look to put either cartridge in an auto loader. But then again, I'm not a fan of AR-10 platforms. I would go bolt action, as would many others for either of these two cartridges.

 

[VLD Pilot]

I have a 22-250 because I got a good deal on a 8 twist Tikka. It shoots great, no complaints. I also had a ton of brass laying around and ended up with quite a few Lapua cases.

The 22-250 has a quite a bit of taper on the cases which is not ideal. The 22 CM certainly has the modern case design which is optimal. To properly compete with the CM, the 22-250 need the AI treatment. But…the 22-250 is still a great cartridge. With a faster twist barrel it's great!

I would not look to put either cartridge in an auto loader. But then again, I'm not a fan of AR-10 platforms. I would go bolt action, as would many others for either of these two cartridges.

With a forum name like the OP has, I don't think he'd agree. I have a couple AR10s and they shoot right along side my bolt guns in accuracy. The 260 is the most accurate of them all for me.

 

[FireFlyFishing]

With a forum name like the OP has, I don't think he'd agree. I have a couple AR10s and they shoot right along side my bolt guns in accuracy. The 260 is the most accurate of them all for me.

No argument. You do you. I didn't say you can't chamber an AR-10 with either cartridge in question. I said I don't care for AR-10s, wouldn't personally chamber them in an AR-10, and most people buying a rifle chambered in 22-250 or 22 CM will buy/build it in a bolt gun platform.

I have a bunch of ARs. I've got them shooting very well. However, I wouldn't say they keep up with my bolt guns when it comes to precision. For one, I can come up with better handloads for the bolt guns…every time.

You also run into the pressure maximums for ARs vs bolt guns. If you're going to build a hot rod 22, why neuter it in a gas gun?

 

[Hugger-4641]

If I had to buy a new varmint gun today, I probably would get the 22cm. But since I'm already invested and happy with my 22-250 I'll just keep it. I've got .223 and .243 if I need a heavier bullet.

 

[Fish4Food]

I've got all the components to build either in a bolt gun.

I'm building a 22-250AI, for the simple fact that I've got chingos of factory loaded ammo (22-250) and quite a bit of brass.

As mentioned above, 250AI and 22C are very similar.

 

[VLD Pilot]

No argument. You do you. I didn't say you can't chamber an AR-10 with either cartridge in question. I said I don't care for AR-10s, wouldn't personally chamber them in an AR-10, and most people buying a rifle chambered in 22-250 or 22 CM will buy/build it in a bolt gun platform.

I have a bunch of ARs. I've got them shooting very well. However, I wouldn't say they keep up with my bolt guns when it comes to precision. For one, I can come up with better handloads for the bolt guns…every time.

You also run into the pressure maximums for ARs vs bolt guns. If you're going to build a hot rod 22, why neuter it in a gas gun?

Hey you'll get no argument from me. I'll never disagree that an AR platform is inferior to a bolt. It's just not true.

 

[ARlife4me]

Both close but the CM gets the edge in performance. EZ button is the CM for over all top end .224 performance but the 22-250 is no slouch. Can't really go wrong with either IMO. I have a 22-250 AI. Does the same as the 22CM can do. They just didn't make the CM cartridges when I built mine.

the ai version is almost identical to the creed which means fps will be too.

I have a 22-250 because I got a good deal on a 8 twist Tikka. It shoots great, no complaints. I also had a ton of brass laying around and ended up with quite a few Lapua cases.

The 22-250 has a quite a bit of taper on the cases which is not ideal. The 22 CM certainly has the modern case design which is optimal. To properly compete with the CM, the 22-250 need the AI treatment. But…the 22-250 is still a great cartridge. With a faster twist barrel it's great!

I would not look to put either cartridge in an auto loader. But then again, I'm not a fan of AR-10 platforms. I would go bolt action, as would many others for either of these two cartridges.

taper can help with extraction, but isn't a deal breaker like a 30-06 or 308win (which isn't that bad). i have a 243win AR, so that has a decent amount of taper and ZERO feeding or extracting issues.

No argument. You do you. I didn't say you can't chamber an AR-10 with either cartridge in question. I said I don't care for AR-10s, wouldn't personally chamber them in an AR-10, and most people buying a rifle chambered in 22-250 or 22 CM will buy/build it in a bolt gun platform.

I have a bunch of ARs. I've got them shooting very well. However, I wouldn't say they keep up with my bolt guns when it comes to precision. For one, I can come up with better handloads for the bolt guns…every time.

You also run into the pressure maximums for ARs vs bolt guns. If you're going to build a hot rod 22, why neuter it in a gas gun?

all's good when it comes to AR's on building and twist decisions, but 2 cartridges that are close in capacity gets me asking these questions for help decisions. on average the non-ai 22-250 is 50-60fps slower even with bullet at case shoulder to bullet base's. where the 22-250 helps is using the same twist in a wider range of bullet weights to stay below 320k rpm. sure i could get a shorter barrel, but the muzzle pressure gets to be 20k and up (not a fan of wasted pressure). if i go creed with 85-90's a 20" barrel could max out rpm's on cup-n-core w/7t needed and a 24" 8t can cover 62-80's. either way i'd need 2 barrels as needing 2 different twists to stabilize the bullets.

If I had to buy a new varmint gun today, I probably would get the 22cm. But since I'm already invested and happy with my 22-250 I'll just keep it. I've got .223 and .243 if I need a heavier bullet.

i do similar selections on bullet weights on changing calibers (5.56 for 55-75's and 243win on 75-105ish)or going up in case capacities (260rem 123-135's and 264wm 140-150's). or i just get a longer barrel. as bad as i want to use berger 90's in 22cal i might stay under 85's?

 

[Varmiter71]

I have had 2 Olympic arms ar-15's in 22-250 as well as Olympic arms ar-15 in 223 Wssm 8twist (that I have not shot yet) as well as the 243wssm, and 25 Wssm. I also have an ar-10 in 22 creedmoor.
The point and my opinion is that if it is going in an ar-10 go with the 22 creedmoor.
Put the 22-250 in an ar-15. It won't be a fast twist. I can't remember who bought out Olympic arms.

 

[Greatgrandad]

I have a 22/250 in a 1/9" twist and a 22/250-AI in a 1/8" twist. Both in bolt guns with 26" tubes. If the 22CM had been out before the 22/250-AI rebarrel, I may have gone that route, but due to having tons of 22/250 and AI brass, it just made sense.

The standard 22/250 in the 1/9 shoots the 75 VLD types extremely well, and usually, I load those in the 3,300+fps range with great groups. The 1/8" AI shoots very well with 80-88's for better down range ballistics. Its basically a ballistic twin to the 22CM.

Wind got me on the 4th shot, or this would have been 2's or better. 22/250 1/9" twist with 75's.

 

[Mike Matteson]

Well I have a 22/250 and a 220 Swift. I was thinking of going to 22/250AI, but I have a 220 Swift, so I don't see the gain. The 22/250 is in the shop having a trigger and bedding work done on it. So when I get back to Montana I'll get to try it out.
The only thing is I am thinking of AI changing out my 264WM to 264AI WM.

 

[ARlife4me]

I have had 2 Olympic arms ar-15's in 22-250 as well as Olympic arms ar-15 in 223 Wssm 8twist (that I have not shot yet) as well as the 243wssm, and 25 Wssm. I also have an ar-10 in 22 creedmoor.
The point and my opinion is that if it is going in an ar-10 go with the 22 creedmoor.
Put the 22-250 in an ar-15. It won't be a fast twist. I can't remember who bought out Olympic arms.

The only ar15 mags I have that'll fit cartridges longer than 2.260 is 2.3xx. What lengths are you using and mags?

 

[VLD Pilot]

The only ar15 mags I have that'll fit cartridges longer than 2.260 is 2.3xx. What lengths are you using and mags?

He had to mean AR10. No way an AR15 will take a 2.7" OAL cartridge.