tribb
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No, it won't disappear, just get more and more expensive.All the time until they price us out of business
Will reloading disapear with the new too lazy to do it generation
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dogz
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Personally, it's my humble opinion that your first sentence is 100% full of horse apples! If anything, you have it 100%n wrong!
adam32+P
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How so? I'm paying into SS that I will most likely never receive, at least never the full amount I've paid into it, yet the past generations most definitely will get MORE than they ever paid into it. I'm also paying extra out of every single paycheck to cover "past retirees" for their retirement. Any state pensions like PERs where the "classic" members have gotten raises when they retire, us "new" employees are paying to fund those liabilities.
It is 100% fact that it was easier to live the "American dream" for the past generations than it is today. That is not even debatable. Inflation alone is crushing families.
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Thank you sir, I may still run one of my 6.5-06 loads as it runs 15 more grains of powder and Lapua brass for comparison and post it.
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Gotcha. There's savings, no doubt once initial equipment investment has paid for itself. But I agree with the folks that buy their loading equipment used. It doesn't take the latest and greatest to load accurate high quality loads.
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That's the reason I use to shoot my longbow, with Flemish string, cedar or burch crested arrows, with fletching cut from turkey wings either I killed or friends killed. I made or put that stuff together. If my time was figured I'd probably be way in the hole. But I'm not worth much, just ask anybody. The connection with that stuff ran very deep.. Killing a hog, deer, rabbit, or squirrel with that rig was extra special and produced some cherished memories. That part for me was priceless!Paying for our retirements? I worked since 14. Many did same. Today? Can't get off the sofa. So you are paying for our financial investments? Our pensions we earned? The 40-50 years we paid into the SS systems? The supplemental insurances we have to buy to cover medical costs not covered by Medicare? Really?
The first thing I see is the need to have things and expenses that we did without. We drove less than desirable vehicles that were not status symbols into the ground, $2,000 phones? Our philosophies and decisions are different. My 2009 Ram 2500 4x4 gasser has over 215K on it. Still runs fine. No need to buy new. Subscriptions to whatever? Lot of us were one income families which limited us but we made do. The list is endless. Most here worked their butts off to get where they are now.
If we could buy a $10K shotgun, we would have dragged it thru the briars to shoot bunnies. It is a tool. My walnut wood stock rifles look more like I beat the game to death. Every mark is simply character added to each rifle that I can feel and relive. Sometimes it is good and bad.
I started reloading 50 years ago with cobbled together from hand offs, garage sales, newspaper ads, whatever. I still have same Lyman balance beam, Lyman powder measure. Stuff Older than most people here. Time is never part of any equation.
Reloading is a deep personal connection to both hunting and shooting. No different than crafting your arrows, tying flies, making lures. Shooting an animal with something you made adds to the total experience. Includes building your own rifle. Today you can assemble one with parts and barrels made to your own specifications to increase performance. Catching a fish on your fly or lure no different. I call these activities emotional investment into things you love to do. There is NOT one person IMO that doesn't take that completed round and look at it with a connection "I did that". Many even envision that buck, bull, cow, whatever getting whacked. I tie salmon flies and "I know" it will catch a 30lber!!
There is pure simple pleasure crafting ammo or whatever that remains within your core. It adds to your outdoor experiences. JM2¢
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It is really easy to blame others. You are not paying for our retirement. You seem to truly forget how much we paid into the system. How much do you think that is worth today? We didn't BUY our first house until I was 38. You need to research what mortgage rates and down payment requirements were. 12% was a great rate 15% was normal. . 20-25% down normal. So even buying a $75K house was really tough on anyone. So please enlighten the people who lived this period.
adam32+P
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I absolutely am paying for past retirees, I can even show you the deduction on my pay stub.
You paid less into it than you will get out of it, that's a fact.
I know what mortgage rates were then and now, I know what down payments were needed then and now. Down payment/rates/income percentage was still vastly more doable then than now. I had to come up with 20% down for my house, that's how it should be and I'm not complaining about that.
I'm not "blaming" anyone, but to constantly be called "lazy" and "worthless" gets quite annoying coming from a group of people that have no clue how truly hard everyone has it currently.
$75k won't even buy an empty lot since all the past generations allowed the government to get out of control with taxes and regulations and inflation.
bultinkle
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I reload less every year. It's down to just what I feel I can't get from factory stuff, so hunting ammo with tmk and comp ammo with the performance I need. When those last areas also are served just as well from factory ammo I will likely not reload at all anymore.
Too lazy though? hmmmm
I'd say I'm too busy working and trying to spend time with my family to see the value in the part of my shooting hobby that I enjoy the least when I can purchase something that meets my needs and direct that time to something I like more.
Too lazy though? hmmmm
I'd say I'm too busy working and trying to spend time with my family to see the value in the part of my shooting hobby that I enjoy the least when I can purchase something that meets my needs and direct that time to something I like more.
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The Op got exactly what he wanted by titling the thread what he did.
As I see it, there has never been a lazy generation. and hopefully never will be.
My first truck cost me 550. When I bought my first new vehicle, I walked into the bank and the loan officer said how much. Same with my 115,000 first house. No credit score, no prior credit. Just a local transaction based on known reputation.
My children never complain about the current price, and complexity, of things.
They all work outside of normal work hours, including side work on weekends.
They know it will all work out.
Within every generation there is a group that makes a difference. Quietly.
So please don't call my children's generation lazy.
As I see it, there has never been a lazy generation. and hopefully never will be.
My first truck cost me 550. When I bought my first new vehicle, I walked into the bank and the loan officer said how much. Same with my 115,000 first house. No credit score, no prior credit. Just a local transaction based on known reputation.
My children never complain about the current price, and complexity, of things.
They all work outside of normal work hours, including side work on weekends.
They know it will all work out.
Within every generation there is a group that makes a difference. Quietly.
So please don't call my children's generation lazy.
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My 6.5-06 load with Lapua Brass at purchase price, 147 Eldm or 140 eldm, Fed 210m, and 56.6 H1000. This is my long distance hunting load and practice load to 1000 yards currently. Adding 500 to 750 to that soon. I do not shoot competition with rifles.
Everything calculated at new purchase price. Brass price $120
Let's assume I get 5 firings on that brass and divide 120 by 5.
This chart is calculated with brass price of $24.00
Now if you are fortunate enough to get 10 firings.
This particular load and charts are the highest priced load I run. I have to run the Lapua brass to get the ES and SD down. Most days single digit and a very good water line. That's vertical dispersion to most. Lapua lasts more firings. Sort of like the LC Match cases in my 308s
Everything calculated at new purchase price. Brass price $120
Let's assume I get 5 firings on that brass and divide 120 by 5.
This chart is calculated with brass price of $24.00
Now if you are fortunate enough to get 10 firings.
This particular load and charts are the highest priced load I run. I have to run the Lapua brass to get the ES and SD down. Most days single digit and a very good water line. That's vertical dispersion to most. Lapua lasts more firings. Sort of like the LC Match cases in my 308s
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This is me to a tee. I still drive a 1998 Ram pickup with 320,000 miles. I have been paying social security since I was 13 years old and as a business owner, I have to match that again when I pay me liability taxes. I also still work in the shop daily. I purchased my first house at 12.5% interest. I don't need someone telling me that someone else is paying for my retirement.Paying for our retirements? I worked since 14. Many did same. Today? Can't get off the sofa. So you are paying for our financial investments? Our pensions we earned? The 40-50 years we paid into the SS systems? The supplemental insurances we have to buy to cover medical costs not covered by Medicare? Really?
The first thing I see is the need to have things and expenses that we did without. We drove less than desirable vehicles that were not status symbols into the ground, $2,000 phones? Our philosophies and decisions are different. My 2009 Ram 2500 4x4 gasser has over 215K on it. Still runs fine. No need to buy new. Subscriptions to whatever? Lot of us were one income families which limited us but we made do. The list is endless. Most here worked their butts off to get where they are now.
If we could buy a $10K shotgun, we would have dragged it thru the briars to shoot bunnies. It is a tool. My walnut wood stock rifles look more like I beat the game to death. Every mark is simply character added to each rifle that I can feel and relive. Sometimes it is good and bad.
I started reloading 50 years ago with cobbled together from hand offs, garage sales, newspaper ads, whatever. I still have same Lyman balance beam, Lyman powder measure. Stuff Older than most people here. Time is never part of any equation.
Reloading is a deep personal connection to both hunting and shooting. No different than crafting your arrows, tying flies, making lures. Shooting an animal with something you made adds to the total experience. Includes building your own rifle. Today you can assemble one with parts and barrels made to your own specifications to increase performance. Catching a fish on your fly or lure no different. I call these activities emotional investment into things you love to do. There is NOT one person IMO that doesn't take that completed round and look at it with a connection "I did that". Many even envision that buck, bull, cow, whatever getting whacked. I tie salmon flies and "I know" it will catch a 30lber!!
There is pure simple pleasure crafting ammo or whatever that remains within your core. It adds to your outdoor experiences. JM2¢
The OP used the wrong wording calling the next generation lazy for not reloading. Most of my generation does not reload either and I am fine with that because it's hard enough to find every component I want already.
Let's try to not drive a wedge between folks that have a common interest. That's what politicians are for. And now I have to go back to work because lunch is over.
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Look at the inflation during the Carter administration.
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Now factor in the cost of your press, dies, comparators, calipers, scale, powder thrower, powder trickler, funnels, cartridge boards, cost to build your reloading room, your hourly wage away from work or your limited family time...some things are worth more than money.
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