The old 25-06 Remington and 270 Winchester shot flatter than 6.5 CM

Oldschool280 said:

+1 on the swede! My most accurate rig

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basinman said:

Yes the 6.5x55 is very accurate. I have a very accurate load of 42.5 grains of H4350 under a Hornady 143 ELD-X.

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KyCarl said:

OK you might have. BUT I still don't think that makes a 25-06 or a 6.5 CM an Elk gun!
I bet you I could kill one with my 22-250 at 200 yards or less! But it ain't an Elk rifle!
I can drive a nail with a rock but a hammer is a lot better?

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predator 22 said:

While I'm not a quarter bore fan, I see things changing in the future for them.

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basinman said:

Yes the 6.5x55 is very accurate. I have a very accurate load of 42.5 grains of H4350 under a Hornady 143 ELD-X.

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CMP70306 said:

So two long action cartridges with a 250 and 400 FPS velocity advantage beat a short action cartridge in a midrange race where the difference in velocity is most prevalent. Color me shocked.

But seriously I don't quite understand the hate directed at the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and Hornady in general. I can understand people invested in cartridges like the .260 Rem or the 6.5x.284 being annoyed that they got side stepped but is it really that surprising? The .260 was not designed for the long high BC bullets used today and was dropped by the very company that introduced it (ignoring decades of wildcatting). Honestly the success of the 6.5 Creedmoor is probably the only thing that saved the .260 as new people are rediscovering it simply to get the same performance without having Creedmoor on the headstamp. The 6.5x.284 has numerous configurations and is pretty much a handloaders only cartridge due to this so there wasn't much sense in producing factory ammo for it.

Hornady isn't in the rifle business so they can't change how the rifles are spec'ed out. Say they make a 147gr .260 load and a bunch of people buy it only for it to keyhole in their 9 twist rifle. They then come on the forums and bash Hornady and say their ammo is terrible and shoots 4" groups. They can put "For 1-8 twist rates or faster ONLY" on the box all day long but it still won't help and they will get bad press for it.

To avoid any compatibility issues their only option is to come up with a ballistically similar cartridge designed to their specifications and get it approved by SAAMI so that rifle makers have to make it the way they envisioned. That's the only reason why the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and .300 PRC even exist.

Take for example the .30 Nosler, .300 WM and .300 PRC, ballistically speaking they are practically the same cartridge. The biggest difference is that the WM and Nosler are both spec'ed at 3.4" COAL and a 1-10 twist while the PRC is 3.7" COAL and a 1-8.5 twist. That means that the only way to get the most long range performance out of the WM or Nosler is to build both the rifle and the ammo, I know this because I did the the research and determine that 3 years ago when I built my Mausingfield. However the PRC will have factory rifles designed to work with factory ammo making it far more accessible to a wider number of shooters.

Honestly the way I see it handloders are not the target audience for these cartridges. Let's face it, if you just look at the cost of buying factory 212gr .300 PRC vs handloading an identical load Hornady is making 3.5 times more money for the factory ammo ($2.25 per round vs $0.65 for bullets and 4x fired brass). So by introducing these cartridges they have the compounding effect of selling more ammo while getting new shooters into the sport with their cartridge. It's basically a win win for them.

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Barrelnut said:

One thing not usually discussed in this debate, is just how overbore the 25-06 really is. It pushes a lot of powder through a small bore for the rather small gains it can see over a short case 6.5. This is not even considering the fact that it takes a long 26" barrel to do it and basically the only readily available high BC bullet to do it. If your 25-06 doesn't shoot the 115 Berger well or you have mag length problems with it, your screwed.
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reelhardmt said:

ok yeah miss read your post...I only have one 25-06, Browning 1885 highwall Montana centennial. The only bullet I shot was a 85 grain nosler BT. It defiantly not a long range range bullet but pops prairie dogs nicely.

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Barrelnut said:

Just saying there aren't really any off the shelf bullets for the 25-06 that match the BC of the 115 Berger. That I know of anyway.

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jmcmath said:

"The real gunsmith" hates CM because he bought the wrong reamer building a customers rifle and had to eat the cost of a rifle that he didn't test to see if factory ammo chambered.

His video on the cartridge itself practically States it when you weed through the "old man yells at clouds" jargon and once he gets done being ****ed that Nosler is making money off the 28N when he never made it rich on his "wapiti express"

This forums CM hatred is just pitiful at this point. Everyone's just amped up to talk about it whenever they get the chance.

I like 25/06 a lot, it's a cool round. I've never owned a 270 and have no plans to, don't see a reason to do so and I guess I grew up in a Ford vs Dodge style family that hated 270 almost as much as dodge so I'm biased.

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