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Michiganhunter
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Just wondering if you have tried, or would try 224 Barnes Varmint Grenades in a 50 grain bullet? That is what I have been shooting along with V-Maxes in that weight? Although I have only shot my first Coyote this year (just got into predator hunting) I like the groups I get with them, and the reading I did on the Barnes bullets sounded like an exit hole was pretty much a non issue?
Thanks, Mikegun)
Thanks, Mikegun)
Mike: I haven't personally used the Varmint Grenade bullets on coyotes but another local coyote hunter with decades of coyote hunting under his belt told me he had used them on several coyotes and was having pretty serious splashing problems from his .223. So, I think you are right about not exiting but you may see some splashing problems with them. I'd stick with the heavier V-maxes in your coyote rifle based on his experience. I will qualify that by saying that I don't recall the weight of VG bullets my friend was using, however. Good luck with whatever you choose!
Tim
Tim
Michiganhunter
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Thanks Tim,
I just got some 75gr. A-maxes, and some 55gr. Combined Technology silver tips (both moly coated) from Midway yesterday. I 'll load some up and go to the range this week.So we'll see how they fly, and then hopefully how they down the deer killers.
I have read about the "splashing" of some bullets on this thread, or another one on LRH, and it sounds like the Barnes Varmint Grenade could very well do that. One shooter said that they would come apart if they hit a wet leaf on a tree? That being said, I think "splashing" would be a likely issue.
By the way, I lived just north of Eureka CA. for a while when I was going to school. Sure is a nice part of the country you live in.
Thanks again, Mike
I just got some 75gr. A-maxes, and some 55gr. Combined Technology silver tips (both moly coated) from Midway yesterday. I 'll load some up and go to the range this week.So we'll see how they fly, and then hopefully how they down the deer killers.
I have read about the "splashing" of some bullets on this thread, or another one on LRH, and it sounds like the Barnes Varmint Grenade could very well do that. One shooter said that they would come apart if they hit a wet leaf on a tree? That being said, I think "splashing" would be a likely issue.
By the way, I lived just north of Eureka CA. for a while when I was going to school. Sure is a nice part of the country you live in.
Thanks again, Mike
We tried the barnes varmint grenades in various weights in .22 and tried some 6mm ones in a 6ppc. JUNK!!!!! In coyotes anyway. We never had a one shot kill with them. While accuraccy is superb just take them out for practice or prairie dogs. I'd try the 50gr nosler bt tip at a medium to high velocity we have had good results, but the best is with the 55gr nosler 6mm bt in the 6ppc's. Pin hole in pin hole out and dead right there!!!
rdsii64
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26 grains of N133 and a 50 grain vmax has been miracle worker in my .223 bolt gun.
I want to see what they do in my AR15
I want to see what they do in my AR15
rdsii64
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If your rifle has a fast enough twist a 55 grain tipped triple shock should work very well.
Michiganhunter
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Hi Rdsii64,
It's a 1-8 twist Stag Model 6 AR platform. It likes the 55 grain C.T. B.T. pretty good. Can't shoot the 75 A Max worth a darn (even measured the chamber and loaded them single fire). Just loaded a bunch of 55 Sierra's and they shoot close to 1 hole. Killed 4 Wood Chucks out behind the house, 3 head shots, and 1 chest shot that turned the inside to jello. Turkey Buzzards are loving the results from that round. Also picked up a Win. model 70 243 with the Boss System on it. 70 grain Sierra Blitz Kings with 41 gr. of Varget and Win. large rifle primers, and I got a 3 shot .295 hole!! That was after loading some 70 gr. Nosler BT, as well as some 75 gr. V maxes. All 3 shot well, but the Sierra was a keeper. Can't wait to shoot some live targets with that one!!!
I will give the bullets you mentioned a try though. Like to have a 1 hole AR to go with the 243!!!
It's a 1-8 twist Stag Model 6 AR platform. It likes the 55 grain C.T. B.T. pretty good. Can't shoot the 75 A Max worth a darn (even measured the chamber and loaded them single fire). Just loaded a bunch of 55 Sierra's and they shoot close to 1 hole. Killed 4 Wood Chucks out behind the house, 3 head shots, and 1 chest shot that turned the inside to jello. Turkey Buzzards are loving the results from that round
. Also picked up a Win. model 70 243 with the Boss System on it. 70 grain Sierra Blitz Kings with 41 gr. of Varget and Win. large rifle primers, and I got a 3 shot .295 hole!! That was after loading some 70 gr. Nosler BT, as well as some 75 gr. V maxes. All 3 shot well, but the Sierra was a keeper. Can't wait to shoot some live targets with that one!!!I will give the bullets you mentioned a try though. Like to have a 1 hole AR to go with the 243!!!
HARPERC
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Hello Tim,
Kind of reviewing your articles with an eye toward 223 bullets. I found your thoughts on the 60 grain V-Max here, and it looks like one to try. My question is what has been your experience with the heavier bullets in 223 Remington? I just got started with a Tikka T3 Scout, 20" barrel, 1-8 twist. Very limited testing, but I believe it shows a preference for the Hornady Match 75 BTHP, over the Superperformance 53 V-Max. The wind has been up, and variable every day I've had time, and most of the difference is horizontal, not enough rounds to call it yet, but with the 1-8 twist I suspect heavier will shoot better. The roughly 600 fps between the 2 has to be a factor in terminal performance as well. So is there a heavier bullet that retains some of the splat factor in this caliber?
Kind of reviewing your articles with an eye toward 223 bullets. I found your thoughts on the 60 grain V-Max here, and it looks like one to try. My question is what has been your experience with the heavier bullets in 223 Remington? I just got started with a Tikka T3 Scout, 20" barrel, 1-8 twist. Very limited testing, but I believe it shows a preference for the Hornady Match 75 BTHP, over the Superperformance 53 V-Max. The wind has been up, and variable every day I've had time, and most of the difference is horizontal, not enough rounds to call it yet, but with the 1-8 twist I suspect heavier will shoot better. The roughly 600 fps between the 2 has to be a factor in terminal performance as well. So is there a heavier bullet that retains some of the splat factor in this caliber?
My experience with match bullets is big holes. The exception may be the A-max which seem to have terminal performance similar to the V-max. The 75 gr A-max is certainly worth a try. Over-stabilization (faster twist than necessary) will rob velocity but unless the bullets actually come apart, it shouldn't be a big negative on accuracy. Under-stabilization on the other hand is disastrous on accuracy. I'll even leave a little accuracy on the table in a calling load in exchange for terminal performance as most of your shots will be under 200 yards. Just my thoughts, Carl.
HARPERC
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Thanks Tim. That's what I was looking for. I got a little off track with basically one bad group at 200 yards. Pretty poor conditions, and I haven't shot the smaller calibers for some time. Side by side with our 338's the 223 just wasn't in the game. Plus the optical effect of similar size groups when there's a lot more space between the hole with the smaller calibers. I believe you're correct it's unlikely the 1-8 is tearing the bullets up in a 223 Rem, maybe in the 224 Clark or 224 TTH. I guess the answer is bring my 338 RUM for windy days, but then this was a fur friendly thread.
Thanks a bunch,
Carl
Thanks a bunch,
Carl
Hello everyone
I have been registerd here for a while but have not made many posts.
I have not shot that many yyotes in my life mainly because they were not plentyfull in western Mn during my prime hunting years. They were the late 70's through the 90's. We had tons a fox. My best winter shooting was 65 fox and 4 yotes.
I used many different Ca. and loads in my quest. Back then even a sewed fur brough 65 bucks. Since I also trapped , I skun, sewed and streched my furs.
Her is what I found as a rule of thumb. For fox, no matter what you use , you will blow them up except for a few configurations and 22 rim fire.
I found out early on that my Rem 17 cal centerfire bolt was the way to go. The only rule here was any fox under 100 yards you blew up no matter what. From 125 and on , most of the time all you had was a pin hole going in, nothing comming out. My average shots were 200 - 300 yards.
I picked up a mini 14 once and it shot 6 inch groups. I glass bedded it and worked up a load with 52 grain serria boat tail hollow point match bullets.
I was shooting dime groups at 100 yards and though oh boy now i got an accurate semi auto witha 30 round clip. I should do better, right?
First five fox I shot it blew the crap out of them but the yotes I shot , the round worked perfect on. And so I ended uop using bulk winchester 55 gr full meta jackets. I never like that idea unless hunting alone because of hard riccochets on frozen plowing.
They worked on fox unless you hit them in the belly. The again almost any round you hit a fox in the belly with will blow them up too.
Bst I ever got in one day with the Mini 14 was 5 and that was crunching wood patches, creek tree lines and small slewes.
Best I ever got with my 17 centerfire was 3 called from one spot using 4 rounds. Call shoot, waite call again and shoot.
I hit all 3 with the first round but last one jumped over a fence line and I was not sure I hit him. After walking over to the fence line, I could see him laying down about 200 yards out and that is where I expended another round to finish him off. In my 17 cal Hornedy 25 gr hollow points worked best. I tried the V-Max in it and it didn't have nearly as good groups.
Furthers fox I show with my 17 was 390 yards. It was windy and I just guessed at hold over and windage. After I shot I didn't even know if I hit him he was so far away. I didn't see him running so I walked over to where I though he was and looked around. He was laying dead as a door nail. Shot hit him just before the hip and went forward towards chest.
That's my story.
I have been registerd here for a while but have not made many posts.
I have not shot that many yyotes in my life mainly because they were not plentyfull in western Mn during my prime hunting years. They were the late 70's through the 90's. We had tons a fox. My best winter shooting was 65 fox and 4 yotes.
I used many different Ca. and loads in my quest. Back then even a sewed fur brough 65 bucks. Since I also trapped , I skun, sewed and streched my furs.
Her is what I found as a rule of thumb. For fox, no matter what you use , you will blow them up except for a few configurations and 22 rim fire.
I found out early on that my Rem 17 cal centerfire bolt was the way to go. The only rule here was any fox under 100 yards you blew up no matter what. From 125 and on , most of the time all you had was a pin hole going in, nothing comming out. My average shots were 200 - 300 yards.
I picked up a mini 14 once and it shot 6 inch groups. I glass bedded it and worked up a load with 52 grain serria boat tail hollow point match bullets.
I was shooting dime groups at 100 yards and though oh boy now i got an accurate semi auto witha 30 round clip. I should do better, right?
First five fox I shot it blew the crap out of them but the yotes I shot , the round worked perfect on. And so I ended uop using bulk winchester 55 gr full meta jackets. I never like that idea unless hunting alone because of hard riccochets on frozen plowing.
They worked on fox unless you hit them in the belly. The again almost any round you hit a fox in the belly with will blow them up too.
Bst I ever got in one day with the Mini 14 was 5 and that was crunching wood patches, creek tree lines and small slewes.
Best I ever got with my 17 centerfire was 3 called from one spot using 4 rounds. Call shoot, waite call again and shoot.
I hit all 3 with the first round but last one jumped over a fence line and I was not sure I hit him. After walking over to the fence line, I could see him laying down about 200 yards out and that is where I expended another round to finish him off. In my 17 cal Hornedy 25 gr hollow points worked best. I tried the V-Max in it and it didn't have nearly as good groups.
Furthers fox I show with my 17 was 390 yards. It was windy and I just guessed at hold over and windage. After I shot I didn't even know if I hit him he was so far away. I didn't see him running so I walked over to where I though he was and looked around. He was laying dead as a door nail. Shot hit him just before the hip and went forward towards chest.
That's my story.
