You used the word doubt so I'll ask the same question you asked just to be sure. Have you validated this? If so could you share your scientific field analysis and in depth study conducted across a broad field of BR shooters?
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You used the word doubt so I'll ask the same question you asked just to be sure. Have you validated this? If so could you share your scientific field analysis and in depth study conducted across a broad field of BR shooters?
Mikecr
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Chas1
Doubt is being unsure of something..
If I was sure, I probably would have declared it.
If you have a basis for minor bullet or bearing variances causing anything in particular, I'm all ears.
Cowboy, are you saying that his sorted bullets consistently shot better than non-sorted?
Did you shoot this difference?
What were the differences?
Doubt is being unsure of something..
If I was sure, I probably would have declared it.
If you have a basis for minor bullet or bearing variances causing anything in particular, I'm all ears.
Cowboy, are you saying that his sorted bullets consistently shot better than non-sorted?
Did you shoot this difference?
What were the differences?
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I would love to think all my rifles were capable of sub 1/3 MOA at 1000 yards. But that would be delusional. The scope, shooter, load, and the man loading, all play a part in the final outcome. John is an admitted OCD sufferer to the 10th power when it comes to his shooting/loading. I could not list all the other things he does or has tried in the efforts for the best loads. When I am testing somthing for him, as stated, he does not privy or predispose me to a bias before firing the test.
Does it make a difference, YES, He proved it to himself so thats all I care about. Do I load my ammo based on what he does NO, I don't have the competitive drive that this man does, nor the time. My most important ammo I load is for hunting and I don't have to hit a 5" x ring at 1000 yards.
Does it make a difference, YES, He proved it to himself so thats all I care about. Do I load my ammo based on what he does NO, I don't have the competitive drive that this man does, nor the time. My most important ammo I load is for hunting and I don't have to hit a 5" x ring at 1000 yards.
Mikecr
Well-Known Member
While this provides for good discussion, it's also where the basis of much that we do -falls apart.
It's why I'm often skeptical, or 'doubtful'.
A good shooter does a lot of extra things in reloading..
So how does this mean bullet weight, or bearing surface culling directly contributed?
And WHICH was the contributor or both?
Even if he told you it does, how do you know? How does he know?
Maybe he does
But I ask because in my view, it would be very very difficult to isolate one way or another. We're talkin tiny variances here amidst an array of bigger variables.
It atleast seems as faith based as MY notion that few would waste their time with it..
He knows because he's tried everything that has been suggested, tested the results and proven to himself what works. Fire 2000 bullets at 1000 yards per year and some patterns develop. He does not have to prove anything to me because I believe him. I believe if your trying to hold 1.5 inches of verticle at 1000 yards everything needs to be perfect or near as perfect as humanly possible.
If you have trust issues, Please, don't use them to discount someone elses hard work.
If you have trust issues, Please, don't use them to discount someone elses hard work.
Thanks for responding. I just wanted to confirm whether your doubt on bullet weight consistency contributing to any BR shooters success, or failures was solidly based on facts or your opinion, that's all.
coyotezapper
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Weighing/sorting bullets is comparable to turning necks to me. I do not shoot well enough to notice the benefit.
I imagine it makes a difference.
Not trying to hijack the thread here but...
Buffalobob,
Are you making those bullets? I was recently shown how these are done by a guy who makes his own and it was very interesting. The only thing that stopped me from trying it myself was the extremely expensive dies needed to do it.
If you are making those yourself. What kind of dies are you using? Can they be used in a standard reloading press or is a dedicated press required? (The guy who showed me his setup had an RCBS press that was modified and used only to create bullets)
Thanks,
Scott
Buffalobob
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No I don't make my own bullets. These were made by a guy named Walt Berger. I suspect he was working hard making bullets and his wife came along and asked when he was going to fix the leaky faucet in the the kitchen and he got distracted from the bullets while trying to think up something to say that she would actually believe.
Record-Setting .284 Win F-Classer
Rem 40XL: .30-06 Long Action
Here is acouple articles from some F-Class shooter on tuning a load
Rem 40XL: .30-06 Long Action
Here is acouple articles from some F-Class shooter on tuning a load
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I weighed a box of 50 225 gr Barnes TTSX. They varied from - 3/10ths of a grain to + 2/10ths of a grain. One was - 6/10ths of a grain.
I might try weighing some cases and see how much they differ.
Then load some up the same and see what happens.
Tarey
I might try weighing some cases and see how much they differ.
Then load some up the same and see what happens.
Tarey
If you do run some sort of test I'd probably load the varying weights of bullets in same weight brass cases and then same weight bullets in varying case weights. Keep us posted.
Buffalobob
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You will need to test at a distance where you are getting about 30 MOA of drop
