MudRunner2005
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Yep, exactly. I didn't respond to his post, because $500K was a ridiculous number to even throw out.
Why 1:11 twist for 30-06?
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Yep, exactly. I didn't respond to his post, because $500K was a ridiculous number to even throw out.
The twist rate in the Remington 700 308 MilSpecs R5's are 11.25:1, same twist rate and R5 rifling design as the M24 rifles. Having owned a few of these since introduction, I have had no issues stabilizing various bullets up through the 210 Berger VLD's with excellent accuracy. I would expect a 1:11 twist in a 30-06 would pose no issues with comparable bullet weights.
You can buy 200 grain bullets. But hard to 30-06 loaded with them. 180 and 150 are the common. That is what a modern company would probably build for.
gohring3006
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I wouldn't buy a 30-06 in anything other than a 10 twist, except for maybe a 9 twist.
Rememington 700 xtr 308 come in 1:12. Other 700 308s 1:10. Which leads me to believe twist are purpose designed. Which is why I started this thread, curious what 1;11 is designed for.
Looking at berger's reference guide, 165-180.
Does it make enough of a difference,dunno. But not like sakos are cheap guns, and just building whatever for a cheap price. Also they have a reputation for factory accuracy.
Since the mass population does not hunt with 30-06 over 180 grain, I suspect they tried get more accuracy and build for lighter bullet. Maybe limiting what you can use.
But if companies just make one barrel and then put it on various 30 cal rifles, how do you explain 700s with different twist in 308? I really doubt people are shooting 200s in 308.
Looking at berger's reference guide, 165-180.
Does it make enough of a difference,dunno. But not like sakos are cheap guns, and just building whatever for a cheap price. Also they have a reputation for factory accuracy.
Since the mass population does not hunt with 30-06 over 180 grain, I suspect they tried get more accuracy and build for lighter bullet. Maybe limiting what you can use.
But if companies just make one barrel and then put it on various 30 cal rifles, how do you explain 700s with different twist in 308? I really doubt people are shooting 200s in 308.
Which is why a company may not try to improve on a product. You got that is the way we always done it people.
I like my 700, very reliable. The safety bugs me, you have to use tricks to get it off. Hunting at 20 yards sometimes, I would prefer a quit safety.
I have been toying with idea of splurging on new rifle, at least to me, I am sure not to many here. Considering sako. Not ruling out 700. Kimberly were to loud too. Savage ok, but not quite.
I have been toying with idea of splurging on new rifle, at least to me, I am sure not to many here. Considering sako. Not ruling out 700. Kimberly were to loud too. Savage ok, but not quite.
gohring3006
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No..... That's not what I got!!!!
I want a 10 twist for 208 grain bullets, I would want a 9 twist for getting the 215 hybrid above 1.5 SG maybe closer to 2.0. Dopplar indicates that a SG @ 2.0 or above improves BC. You assume since Sako is doing it, its the best way, ignoring several other companies that use a 10 twist.
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I think I know now what you are trying to find out.
Here at Hammer Bullets we have several bullets that would work well in 1-11" twist.
Our 166g Hammer Hunter is designed for 1-10.5" twist at sea level and standard atmosphere. This bullet will shoot well but could be slightly marginal for hunting depending on atmospheric conditions.
Our 152g Hammer Hunter is designed for a 1-12" twist and will work very well in the 11" twist in any atmosphere.
Our 181g Sledge Hammer would be the heaviest bullet that we offer for the 11" twist barrel. It is designed for 11.5".
We have a 199g Sledge Hammer it is designed for 1-10.5" twist and could be a bit marginal in stability so if it were me I would not use this one in the 11" twist. Although it would shoot very accurately.
All the rest of the .308 cal bullets that we offer that are lighter than these listed will shoot great and perform on game with plenty of stability to have good terminal performance.
Steve
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The same is true with the businesses/companies that support our hobby/sports, i.e., Hammer Bullets make bullets to satisfy varying barrel twist rates.
I am very thankful that we in America still have plenty of choices to choose from.
The same is true with the businesses/companies that support our hobby/sports, i.e., Hammer Bullets make bullets to satisfy varying barrel twist rates.
I am very thankful that we in America still have plenty of choices to choose from.
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MudRunner2005
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Same exact experience here...With the same rifle.
Thanks. This is what I was getting. If I bought a rifle with 1:11, would it suit my needs. Currently I shoot 180, just cause hunting close. And just what I started with years ago. I may try lighter someday.
I have 2 30-06s with 1:10, I could load for 200+ for bears at 40 yards. With today's expanding bullets I would have to research if open up at 30-06 speeds. Richard Smith. Local author suggests 150s cause 180s not opening up on bears. He is talking about factory corlokts though.
All I wanted to know is what were they marketing 1:11 for. They could do better job. A tech section would be nice. Maybe there is
I suspect they are not building there rifles for 200 grains 30'06. Which most don't use.
If I bought it, I would not be buying it for 200+.
I have not heard any question the accuracy of sakos. Not saying only way to do it, but there are more than one, and bullet technology has changed.
I am slow to jump on new technology. But I am nor a dinosaur either. I believe there is room to improve things.
When the baby boomers are gone,no think you will see lots of improvements. Hopefully will leave behind. Cause that's the way we always done it mentality.
Sako isn't doing this cause they are an evil big business and want to screw the little guy over. Hell Finns are close to socialists. Remington is making 1:11 cause capitalist pigs though.
Sako isn't the only one making 1:11
