155 grn Berger vld or 125 grn nosler ballistic tip?

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  1. Remington5r

    Remington5r Active Member

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    I am stuck on choosing between a 155 grain berger vld hunting or a 125 grain nosler ballistic tip hunting out of my remington 5r in 300 winchester magnum. I am pushing the 125 grain bullets at 3650 fps and my 155 grain bullets at 3500. Their trajectories and accuracy are nearly identical. I would use these bullets for deer, antelope, and coyotes. I am leaning toward the Vld what do you guys think?
     
  2. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    I am thinking if it were me I would load that 300 like a 300 instead of a 6.5 and get some bullets 180 gr or above. Preferably a 210 or 215 in a 300.

    In my opinion if you load a 155 VLD at 3500 fps. or a 125 Nossler BT @ 3650 fps for hunting, you could just possible be the next guy on here complaining of no penetration and his game ran off.

    Sorry but this is what I believe and just trying to save you from a wreck.

    Jeff
     

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    Broz Well-Known Member

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    Between those two choices, I would go with the 155, the 125s will likely cause greatly increased throat erosion, and I doubt that you will get the accuracy from them you would get from the 155s. I would not shoot anything less than 165s in my 300, in fact my 300 Win Mag hasn't shot a bullet lighter than 175 in years, even for coyotes, because if I'm shooting them with the 300, I obviously don't care about fur.
     
  5. Erik Kiser

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    I agree with Broz. Some people assume long range shooting means fast light bullets that have relatively small drop numbers at close range but that's just not the case. In even light winds the 155 and especially the 125 gr bullet will be blown all over the place making good hits at long range very difficult. When assessing a bullet for long range the drop numbers are last on the list I'd even look at. I remember reading 20 years ago that if you don't need at least a 180 gr bullet in a 300 magnum you don't need a 300 magnum
     
  6. Remington5r

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    I don't quite know if you understand. I will be using a 210 grain Long range Accubonds for my elk and long range deer loads. I want to use a light fast bullets for thin skinned antelope deer and coyotes because I want limited penetration and lots of hydrostatic shock to knock them down in their tracks. I have been successful at achieving this goal with both the vld and the ballistic tip. I am just having a hard time deciding between which one to stick with.
     
  7. bodean87

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    I would check my loads for both of them. The velocity seems high to me for a win mag.
     
  8. MontanaRifleman

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    I think they do understand. What you might very well have if you use those bullets at those velocities is a surface explosion at close ranges. I assure you, if you hit an antelope with a 215 berger from a 300 WM at any distance from point plank to way out there, it will not go anywhere far. I have shot quite a few antelope, mostly with a 7mm and 160 Nosler Partitions which did not make a huge wound channel and they did not go anywhere.

    Do as you please.
     
  9. MontanaMarine

    MontanaMarine Well-Known Member

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    For lightweight/warp speed application on game, something along the lines of the Barnes 130gr TTSX may rate consideration.
     
  10. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Agreed... or 150 E-Tip
     
  11. WildRose

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    Both are way too light and the 125's are flat explosive at those velocities and more likely to horribly wound than to kill.

    Start with Accbonds, Interbond, Scirocco II etc in 165gr or higher and you'll have much better results.
     
  12. WildRose

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    Put it where it needs to be with a bullet that passes through and they don't run far. You don't want to be hitting them with bombs that blow off large chunks of meat and do not kill cleanly.

    You also want pass through shots for those times when you miss the vitals and they do run so you have a good blood trail to follow. Bullets that punch the skin and then explode inside and do not exit make for very tough tracking.
     
  13. LDHunter

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    If you have a rifle that will both shoot 210gr bullets and 125gr bullets with good accuracy then you have something special that I've never seen or heard of.

    In my experience twist will limit that and getting lightweight for caliber bullets to shoot accurately in the over 3100fps range from a 30 caliber magnum of any type is something I've never accomplished or seen done.

    All that being said, Nosler now makes the 30cal 125gr AccBond for those antelope shots you have mentioned and you won't have to worry about them coming apart at those extreme magnum velocities if you DO get them to shoot accurately. Good luck with that....

    By the way I bought mine at Midway and they still have some....
    Nosler AccuBond Bullets 30 Cal (308 Diameter) 125 Grain Spitzer Boat

    Bob
     
  14. chuck williams

    chuck williams Banned

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    If you already have first hand experience with both, why are you asking someone else what works best? You were there.....what worked best?