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Why not use expander balls?
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<blockquote data-quote="rooster721" data-source="post: 903020" data-attributes="member: 40654"><p>I personally have stuck (so far) with full length dies bumping 2-3 thou in my rifles.. and also still use my expanders. I am considering a switch to neck/bushing dies but have many overhanging questions and concerns.. <strong>one major-one being</strong>, that I was always under the impression neck-turning is basically mandatory in-cahoots with bushing neck-sizer dies in order to see real benefit from them <em>(and not off-set un-even necks off centre making matters worse-yet, <u>if you don't turn them the same time to uniform</u>*)</em> I (also) always understood that neck turning itself is frowned upon in bigger hotter calibres <em>(like RUMs and other big magnums that a LR hunter might shoot)</em> because of that brass' tendency to have a shortened life-span as it is, due to neck splits, nevermind yet take more away by turning* (so i-dunno ??) What's the real answer. Seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. Maybe supposed to find a happy-medium (with the bigger hot cartridges) and stay quiet ? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p> </p><p>I myself have gone the route of annealing now and am using my same old FL dies with expander balls, to avoid an even-worse connundrum like I mentioned possible above. I ran a batch of brass last night in fact and can "feel" a world of difference levering cases in and out of my dies compared to no annealing. More case-to-case consistency through my sizer for sure. I can't say anything about seating or groups or really much else as of yet, but am hoping that my adjusted routine to:</p><p>-de-prime</p><p>-clean</p><p>-(now) anneal</p><p>-FL size</p><p>-trim (however needed/if so)</p><p>-primer-pocket uniform & then,</p><p>-flashhole de burr... (if brass never done) ...will solve "some" of my-own grouping/load discrepencies and differences</p><p> </p><p>My rifles are all bigger heavier magnums ALL used as hunting rifles as well as target, so gotta work reliably "all around" Unless I have understood wrong all along, my cartiges may be in the category that this annealing route may be better..?.. THAT I guess will remain to be seen. Bottom line, I think all reloading tools, routines and methods have their place... and all cartridges in-themselves fall into different categories as to where each method/tool/routine is best suited to application</p><p> </p><p>Correct me if I'm wrong.. but this is the conclusion I've come to so far</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rooster721, post: 903020, member: 40654"] I personally have stuck (so far) with full length dies bumping 2-3 thou in my rifles.. and also still use my expanders. I am considering a switch to neck/bushing dies but have many overhanging questions and concerns.. [B]one major-one being[/B], that I was always under the impression neck-turning is basically mandatory in-cahoots with bushing neck-sizer dies in order to see real benefit from them [I](and not off-set un-even necks off centre making matters worse-yet, [U]if you don't turn them the same time to uniform[/U]*)[/I] I (also) always understood that neck turning itself is frowned upon in bigger hotter calibres [I](like RUMs and other big magnums that a LR hunter might shoot)[/I] because of that brass' tendency to have a shortened life-span as it is, due to neck splits, nevermind yet take more away by turning* (so i-dunno ??) What's the real answer. Seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. Maybe supposed to find a happy-medium (with the bigger hot cartridges) and stay quiet ? :rolleyes: I myself have gone the route of annealing now and am using my same old FL dies with expander balls, to avoid an even-worse connundrum like I mentioned possible above. I ran a batch of brass last night in fact and can "feel" a world of difference levering cases in and out of my dies compared to no annealing. More case-to-case consistency through my sizer for sure. I can't say anything about seating or groups or really much else as of yet, but am hoping that my adjusted routine to: -de-prime -clean -(now) anneal -FL size -trim (however needed/if so) -primer-pocket uniform & then, -flashhole de burr... (if brass never done) ...will solve "some" of my-own grouping/load discrepencies and differences My rifles are all bigger heavier magnums ALL used as hunting rifles as well as target, so gotta work reliably "all around" Unless I have understood wrong all along, my cartiges may be in the category that this annealing route may be better..?.. THAT I guess will remain to be seen. Bottom line, I think all reloading tools, routines and methods have their place... and all cartridges in-themselves fall into different categories as to where each method/tool/routine is best suited to application Correct me if I'm wrong.. but this is the conclusion I've come to so far [/QUOTE]
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