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Why not use expander balls?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mikecr" data-source="post: 898038" data-attributes="member: 1521"><p>Softer necks, that are not pre-expanded, springback outward -less from downsizing. With this, there is more interference fit to a seating bullet which must upsize the neck further. Bullets make terrible expanders. This increases seating forces, which messes with seating precision, due to wedging of the seater stem.</p><p>If a softer neck is pre-expanded, it will springback inward less, leaving less interference and easier seating, but with less bullet grip also.</p><p></p><p>A common misconception about tension occurs when necks are overworked to hardening, and downsized only(no expansion to follow). The greater springback counters more outward from downsizing, leaving less interference fit, and bullet seating forces drop off. If the bushing doesn't size enough the seating bullet might drop right into the case, as springback countered enough neck sizing to allow this. </p><p>People see this as lost neck tension here, and they're sure annealing regains it. No, nobody loses the potential tension in harder necks. They're just managing springback with annealing rather than proper sizing. This is like bending necks for concentricity, instead of making straight ammo to begin with.</p><p>Anyway, when they anneal for this condition, seating force increases and the specific issue is resolved, but their neck tension(bullet grip) is now lower, and their load is affected by this.</p><p>If they developed a good load with this method maintained(frequent precise annealing), then they're good as long as it's working for them, and this does work for some. </p><p>But the misconception about tension is still there.</p><p></p><p>Another factor people fail to consider is that springback continues over time, in a direction countering last sizing. This occurs everywhere brass is sized(energy injected). Neck, shoulder, body, even primer pockets. </p><p>We see our brass as static, whiles it's actually dynamic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll try to post a pic Woods.</p><p>Mine is a home made amp/indicator fed from a resistive force sensor, which I currently have installed over the free floating mandrel in it's die. I used to have the sensor in a shellholder, but I use different shellholders for shoulder bumps, and changed this.</p><p>The sensors could be used with a simple ohm meter, or you could use a laptop/software.</p><p><a href="http://www.tekscan.com/flexible-force-sensors" target="_blank">FlexiForce Force Sensors | Single Button Force Sensing Resistor | Tekscan</a></p><p><a href="http://www.tekscan.com/load-measurement-system" target="_blank">ELF Economical Load and Force Measurement System | Tekscan</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mikecr, post: 898038, member: 1521"] Softer necks, that are not pre-expanded, springback outward -less from downsizing. With this, there is more interference fit to a seating bullet which must upsize the neck further. Bullets make terrible expanders. This increases seating forces, which messes with seating precision, due to wedging of the seater stem. If a softer neck is pre-expanded, it will springback inward less, leaving less interference and easier seating, but with less bullet grip also. A common misconception about tension occurs when necks are overworked to hardening, and downsized only(no expansion to follow). The greater springback counters more outward from downsizing, leaving less interference fit, and bullet seating forces drop off. If the bushing doesn't size enough the seating bullet might drop right into the case, as springback countered enough neck sizing to allow this. People see this as lost neck tension here, and they're sure annealing regains it. No, nobody loses the potential tension in harder necks. They're just managing springback with annealing rather than proper sizing. This is like bending necks for concentricity, instead of making straight ammo to begin with. Anyway, when they anneal for this condition, seating force increases and the specific issue is resolved, but their neck tension(bullet grip) is now lower, and their load is affected by this. If they developed a good load with this method maintained(frequent precise annealing), then they're good as long as it's working for them, and this does work for some. But the misconception about tension is still there. Another factor people fail to consider is that springback continues over time, in a direction countering last sizing. This occurs everywhere brass is sized(energy injected). Neck, shoulder, body, even primer pockets. We see our brass as static, whiles it's actually dynamic. I'll try to post a pic Woods. Mine is a home made amp/indicator fed from a resistive force sensor, which I currently have installed over the free floating mandrel in it's die. I used to have the sensor in a shellholder, but I use different shellholders for shoulder bumps, and changed this. The sensors could be used with a simple ohm meter, or you could use a laptop/software. [url=http://www.tekscan.com/flexible-force-sensors]FlexiForce Force Sensors | Single Button Force Sensing Resistor | Tekscan[/url] [url=http://www.tekscan.com/load-measurement-system]ELF Economical Load and Force Measurement System | Tekscan[/url] [/QUOTE]
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