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Why Doesn't Berger make a Bonded Bullet??
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<blockquote data-quote="bearcat2" data-source="post: 1759689" data-attributes="member: 18832"><p>I'm not a huge fan of Berger performance on game, never the less I use them for accuracy in my long range rifle and have never lost anything I have shot with them. I have shot multiple elk through the shoulder at 5-700 yards with them and had excellent penetration with either an exit or a perfectly mushroomed bullet laying against the hide on the far side. At 200 and under they tend to fragment or grenade badly, I haven't shot an elk shoulder at close range with one, although I have killed two elk under fifty yards with them, both were shot through the ribs. I did put a finish shot in a whitetails neck at about 10 feet and while it broke the neck and finished it instantly it didn't penetrate past the first half of the neck bone and blew a fist sized divot with tiny fragments of copper and lead (non bigger than a pin head) being all that was left of the bullet.</p><p>They don't much knockdown on elk (although elk tend to stand up to most bullets well unless you hit a big bone) I have shot numerous elk through the vitals at range without them flinching. I even shot a 6x6 bull at 620 yards once who went right on feeding (stepped behind a tree where I didn't have a clear followup shot but could see through the branches) and when it stepped out I put another through his ribs, to find out the first shot took one lung, liver and guts (downhill quartering shot) and would have killed him within minutes most likely. I have only had two elk I shot only once with a berger, all others had multiple bullets in them, not because the first shot wouldn't have killed them, but because they were still standing and elk are a tough animal, I am going to continue to punch holes in them until they are down, until you walk up to it you can never be 100% sure that first shot is a kill shot and nothing went wrong. </p><p></p><p>They kill quite well, but I just don't trust a fragmenting bullet and would rather have a bonded bullet I trust to go through heavy bone at close range, because sometimes you are going to walk up on an elk in the timber where I hunt, even if you are planning on shooting across the canyon. If I know I am going to be hunting the timber I pack a different gun that is handier in the timber and it is loaded with a different bullet, Grand Slams being my favorite but I've used all sorts of bullets at times as long as they are designed for penetration and holding together. Absolute worst I've seen for performance on elk at close range are SST's.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bearcat2, post: 1759689, member: 18832"] I'm not a huge fan of Berger performance on game, never the less I use them for accuracy in my long range rifle and have never lost anything I have shot with them. I have shot multiple elk through the shoulder at 5-700 yards with them and had excellent penetration with either an exit or a perfectly mushroomed bullet laying against the hide on the far side. At 200 and under they tend to fragment or grenade badly, I haven't shot an elk shoulder at close range with one, although I have killed two elk under fifty yards with them, both were shot through the ribs. I did put a finish shot in a whitetails neck at about 10 feet and while it broke the neck and finished it instantly it didn't penetrate past the first half of the neck bone and blew a fist sized divot with tiny fragments of copper and lead (non bigger than a pin head) being all that was left of the bullet. They don't much knockdown on elk (although elk tend to stand up to most bullets well unless you hit a big bone) I have shot numerous elk through the vitals at range without them flinching. I even shot a 6x6 bull at 620 yards once who went right on feeding (stepped behind a tree where I didn't have a clear followup shot but could see through the branches) and when it stepped out I put another through his ribs, to find out the first shot took one lung, liver and guts (downhill quartering shot) and would have killed him within minutes most likely. I have only had two elk I shot only once with a berger, all others had multiple bullets in them, not because the first shot wouldn't have killed them, but because they were still standing and elk are a tough animal, I am going to continue to punch holes in them until they are down, until you walk up to it you can never be 100% sure that first shot is a kill shot and nothing went wrong. They kill quite well, but I just don't trust a fragmenting bullet and would rather have a bonded bullet I trust to go through heavy bone at close range, because sometimes you are going to walk up on an elk in the timber where I hunt, even if you are planning on shooting across the canyon. If I know I am going to be hunting the timber I pack a different gun that is handier in the timber and it is loaded with a different bullet, Grand Slams being my favorite but I've used all sorts of bullets at times as long as they are designed for penetration and holding together. Absolute worst I've seen for performance on elk at close range are SST's. [/QUOTE]
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