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Why do bullet makers ignor .257 and .277?
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<blockquote data-quote="royinidaho" data-source="post: 553393" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Hey guys, a very good discussion.</p><p></p><p>Many moons ago I was thoroughly indoctrinated by O'Connor. Never been deprogrammed.</p><p></p><p>This lingering mental condition took me from 35 years of shooting only a 270 Win at everything from chucks to moose to shooting a 270 Allen Magnum.</p><p></p><p>For ya'll shooting lesser, possibly more sensible 277 cartridges, bullets so far mentioned will do very well. Especially Wildcats and Matrix.</p><p></p><p>However.... in an 8 twist 3 groove bore at extreme velocity non of them cut the mustard.</p><p></p><p>Wildcats and Matrix won't hold together, "in my bore." Note: @ about 900 rounds of extreme loads the bore scope says the bore/throat is still pretty good.</p><p></p><p>I haven't shot Matrix offerings as when I asked the Matrix man informed me I'd have troubles.</p><p></p><p>Original Richard Graves Wildcat 169.5s took effort to perfect and he had it down pat. The secret was the lot of jackets he stumbled upon. Those exact jackets, me thinks, became unavailable. Tight wad short term thinkin'' me only purchased a couple of hundred. Plus it was so much fun shooting them instead of using the rig as a long range HUNTING rifle, I burned through them very quickly. (Was worth it!)</p><p></p><p>All nosler bullets will shoot very well with no physical integrity problems but have BCs that are similar to bricks when compared to high bc offerings.</p><p></p><p>A 150 NBT starting at 3600 sound nifty but wouldn't do for much more than a coyote @ 1500 or so. It makes only small unimpressive divots in the dirt at 1400 and will break only small rocks.</p><p></p><p>Hornady's 140 gr BTSP will shoot well and hold together at any velocity I can push it. Again pretty poor bc for extreme range.</p><p></p><p>Berger's at these extreme velocitys won't hold together either.</p><p></p><p>I otta rename the rifle "Dusty"</p><p></p><p>All of that said, the problem boils down to there being too many other calibers around 257 and 277 that get all the attention. Rifle manufactures and bullet makers are in business, business being a key word, to make a living. Until there are enough 257 and 277 extreme shooters to make a significant portion of the market we're gonna have to live with what we have. Plus the 270 WSM isn't all that shabby.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>As was said LRH shooter number are miniscule. We're going to have to continue to create our own world.</p><p></p><p>Folks such as I are not in "business" but in quest of some kind of fuzzy dream.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I had this rifle made with a specific purpose in mind and by darned its gonna do it. Lack of factory bullets not withstanding!</p><p></p><p>Guess what? Elmer Keith was my other look up to guy<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />. Thus my only other custom rifle is a 375 Allen Magnum. Guess what, the same bullet problem<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> There's only a finite number of SMKs out there. This time, I have my share.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="royinidaho, post: 553393, member: 2011"] Hey guys, a very good discussion. Many moons ago I was thoroughly indoctrinated by O'Connor. Never been deprogrammed. This lingering mental condition took me from 35 years of shooting only a 270 Win at everything from chucks to moose to shooting a 270 Allen Magnum. For ya'll shooting lesser, possibly more sensible 277 cartridges, bullets so far mentioned will do very well. Especially Wildcats and Matrix. However.... in an 8 twist 3 groove bore at extreme velocity non of them cut the mustard. Wildcats and Matrix won't hold together, "in my bore." Note: @ about 900 rounds of extreme loads the bore scope says the bore/throat is still pretty good. I haven't shot Matrix offerings as when I asked the Matrix man informed me I'd have troubles. Original Richard Graves Wildcat 169.5s took effort to perfect and he had it down pat. The secret was the lot of jackets he stumbled upon. Those exact jackets, me thinks, became unavailable. Tight wad short term thinkin'' me only purchased a couple of hundred. Plus it was so much fun shooting them instead of using the rig as a long range HUNTING rifle, I burned through them very quickly. (Was worth it!) All nosler bullets will shoot very well with no physical integrity problems but have BCs that are similar to bricks when compared to high bc offerings. A 150 NBT starting at 3600 sound nifty but wouldn't do for much more than a coyote @ 1500 or so. It makes only small unimpressive divots in the dirt at 1400 and will break only small rocks. Hornady's 140 gr BTSP will shoot well and hold together at any velocity I can push it. Again pretty poor bc for extreme range. Berger's at these extreme velocitys won't hold together either. I otta rename the rifle "Dusty" All of that said, the problem boils down to there being too many other calibers around 257 and 277 that get all the attention. Rifle manufactures and bullet makers are in business, business being a key word, to make a living. Until there are enough 257 and 277 extreme shooters to make a significant portion of the market we're gonna have to live with what we have. Plus the 270 WSM isn't all that shabby.:) As was said LRH shooter number are miniscule. We're going to have to continue to create our own world. Folks such as I are not in "business" but in quest of some kind of fuzzy dream.:) I had this rifle made with a specific purpose in mind and by darned its gonna do it. Lack of factory bullets not withstanding! Guess what? Elmer Keith was my other look up to guy:rolleyes:. Thus my only other custom rifle is a 375 Allen Magnum. Guess what, the same bullet problem:rolleyes: There's only a finite number of SMKs out there. This time, I have my share.:cool: [/QUOTE]
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